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Classic ebay ad - "Family safe to fly on beach"

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Created by Surfer62 > 9 months ago, 13 Apr 2009
Surfer62
1357 posts
13 Apr 2009 2:42PM
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Newkiteboarding now on ebay ?

Add heading as follows:
"NEW (as in brand name) OS 5m kite Family safe to fly on beach with repair warranty."

Add subheading as follows:
"The whole family can safely try the real thing"

Includes testimonials for the 5m like ".........plenty of grunt"

Add finishes with:
"NEW kiteboarding is proudly australian owned and operated"

No warnings re lessons or dangers, even offers other size kites, maybe a family 14m - big family big kite, surely an out of control 5m wont do enough harm !!

Newkiteboarding not doing so well huh ?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Kite-boarding-Kite-surfing-NEW-O-S-5m-current-model_W0QQitemZ200330465001QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Sport_Surfing?hash=item200330465001&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

NJPornstar
WA, 790 posts
13 Apr 2009 2:43PM
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Yep thats right.

Better than a bow kite guarantee.

Surfer62
1357 posts
13 Apr 2009 2:50PM
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NJPornstar said...

Yep thats right.

Better than a bow kite guarantee.


And a site sponsor, bizzare !!!!

Smithy
VIC, 859 posts
13 Apr 2009 8:25PM
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I hope no one at my local beach gets a "family safe" kite and has our beach banned from kite boarding

There are enough kites sold into the wrong hands through sites like Seabreeze that do attempt to get the safety and lesson messages out there!! Sites like ebay should have standard warnings for anything to do with activities that are associated with "extreme" sports etc irrespective of the advertisers own wording and be a condition of placing the advert.

djdojo
VIC, 1614 posts
13 Apr 2009 8:52PM
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Hmmm, i just saw a 13m 2003 fuel advertised as "a good beginner kite" in the vic kites seabreeze ads! Good for beginners like an hsv commodore is good for an L plater. Still, at least this is just an individual, not a kiteboarding company.

So, NEW, what's up with the family fun on the beach spiel?

"This is the right size kite for your first flying experience." Really!?

No mention that you'll need a harness to fly this kite - or is flying "unhooked" recommended for first-timers too? It's made to sound like a toy that a skinny 12 year-old could just take out of the bag and play with.

Poor form if you ask me. So NEW, please edit your ebay ad to reflect that a 5m inflatable ain't no toy. Surely that's why you make a trainer kite anyway???

Smedg
NSW, 836 posts
13 Apr 2009 9:42PM
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NJPornstar said...

Yep thats right.

Better than a bow kite guarantee.


quite a safe kite by kite surfing standards due to size as well as other things probably.

But still potential to be very dangerous with out lessons about not using up wind of other etc etc. IMO.

Pornstar. Don't you think you should at least have a disclaimer about requiring lessons to safely use kitesurfing equipment. I agree with other posters so far. It seems irresponsible to suggest that the 'whole family can safely try the real thing'..

What you reckon pornstar?

PS Cool to have kites from an Aussie company.

richswing
WA, 724 posts
13 Apr 2009 9:17PM
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The Ebay thing is a bit dodgy,

But I think PornStar has a great product, maybe find another way of getting it out there. There are a hundred young guys out there who can't afford NEW gear that could show the kites off.

The Express kite has been out for months but I have not seen it in Perth yet and we are the closest to Gero!

I always look at the guys shredding it up in the surf and wonder if I could do that on the same gear they use. Get the product noticed.

Offer an add on bridle like a V bridle, all the new guys in the sport think bridled kites a better and safer, and it may give more depower for wave riding, etc.

It must be very difficult out their in the kite industry, actually any industry at the moment.

PornStar, you've got a great product, just change your marketing strategy.

Cheers

Fooosh
WA, 563 posts
13 Apr 2009 9:38PM
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Smithy said...

I hope no one at my local beach gets a "family safe" kite and has our beach banned from kite boarding

There are enough kites sold into the wrong hands through sites like Seabreeze that do attempt to get the safety and lesson messages out there!! Sites like ebay should have standard warnings for anything to do with activities that are associated with "extreme" sports etc irrespective of the advertisers own wording and be a condition of placing the advert.



If you try to buy a child's car seat on ebay, you get flagged with the safety warnings, website etc. It can be done. Perhaps AKSA could communicate similar precautions to ebay on behalf of the kiting (and wider) community?

awetdog
NSW, 59 posts
14 Apr 2009 10:25AM
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still family safe, wish i got one of those when i first started. i spent money on lessons, if i only knew you could buy 'safe' kites. and why dont other manufacturers make these.

you should be applauded for having the integrity to push safety first, and not go for reckless marketing that could get some innocent child or uninformed adult seriously injured.

well done, safe kites, who would have thought...

sarcasm and contempt sold separately

Wannabe
NSW, 148 posts
14 Apr 2009 10:38PM
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New Bugatti Veyron

This car is a super versatile size.

The whole family can safely try the real thing.

This high 1000BHP is simply designed with 12 radiators making it one of the lightest cars available. The light weight design flies efficiently in light wind. The great light wind performance makes it ideal for practicing on the beach in light winds.

It has friendly power and a massive usable wind range. This bridleless hybrid style car will fly in as little as 10 knots all the way to super stormy weather. The O.S. car has 4 tyres and can be flown with 3 tyres. Many hours of testing has found 4 tyres to be a far better system for self landing the car in strong wind conditions.
This is the right size car for your first driving experience.

Advanced riders will be amazed at the 1000BHP’s spontaneous performance when driving in waves. All tyres are directly connected to the engine which makes the car responsive to all input. Being so light it will drift off the wind no worries when driving fast under sections and remain responsive with virtually loose brain.

Dean Gilkinson Perth WA
"It was awesome fun to drive. Really light bar pressure, handled the gusty conditions really well, PLENTY of grunt."

Sean Mauk Perth WA
"Nice bar grip, doesn’t wear out the hands as fast as some more hard abrasive types.
It's a functional design with efficient aerodynamics"

Mickeal J QLD
"Relaunch is good. Im already able to relaunch a car fairly well and have had no difficulty doing any style of relaunch I am currently used to. Just pulling on 1 gear relaunches the car easily from the leading edge down."


The flying package includes
- 1000BHP Original Series Car (made from high quality Carbon and Aluminium)
- Tyres (Rubber)
- XL back pack style bag, with webbing straps for your car
- 80 litre double action, fuel tank
- Emergency repair kit (sticky tape, Glue, paint, Spare driver)

**This product is in new condition and includes Materials and Manufacturing warranty from the factory**
**Keep your reciept, all of NEW driving's inflatable tyres have a brilliant 30 day repair warranty**

This premium car is normally $1000000
The Seabreeze special is $900000
You save $100000

You also have an interactive gear forum you can look up or ask questions in regards to your gear.
www.newdriving.com/latest/

If the 1000BHP isn’t the right size or colour for you, check out some other sizes on the website
www.newdriving.com

"NEW driving is proudly Australian owned and operated"

NEW driving is interested in keeping the driving scene safe.
Driving can be dangerous with larger size cars, we recommend you ask advice from an experienced driver for possible dangers involved.


Fooosh
WA, 563 posts
15 Apr 2009 1:40AM
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I prefer NEW's colour scheme

Smedg
NSW, 836 posts
15 Apr 2009 10:32AM
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NJPornstar said...

Check it out!

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=200330465001

I changed it especially for you guys.
Hope it is a worthy item now.





Your disclaimer still seems a little lacking to me. I'm guessing most kiters think those new to kiting should get lessons to learn about safety.

I would be happier if the add said lessons from a qualified instructor are strongly advised as use of this equipment can be dangerous. Or something. People could easily buy this and try it without a harness and let go of it up wind of other beach users.

Your add still reads as if the product is safe for anyone to use without lessons or even a harness IMO. This is misleading IMO.

What are others thoughts.

PS still good to have kite from an Aussie company.

PPS car comparison is mostly unhelpful and very long in my opinion.

bennie
ACT, 1258 posts
15 Apr 2009 11:27AM
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How safe would a 5m kite be in the hands of a 30kg 10 year old in 20 knots? then add to that no knowledge/skills or instruction, right next to a flagged area with young familys present. More than one incident of this sort would = ban for that beach

Thanks NEW kiteboarding for helping to ruin the very industry you owe your existance too. I think there is a name for outfits like you maybe CAPATILIST PARASITE

awetdog
NSW, 59 posts
15 Apr 2009 1:10PM
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bennie said...

How safe would a 5m kite be in the hands of a 30kg 10 year old in 20 knots? then add to that no knowledge/skills or instruction, right next to a flagged area with young familys present. More than one incident of this sort would = ban for that beach

Thanks NEW kiteboarding for helping to ruin the very industry you owe your existance too. I think there is a name for outfits like you maybe CAPATILIST PARASITE




yeah but it's a 'safe' kite, family safe even. not like those dangerous kites you're used to. you should try one, just click on the link...

gotta wonder if sales and goodwill have improved due to this well thought out advertisement.

ps, the capitalist parasite is a bit harsh. capitalists give some thought what they do. and if you look at it from a wider perspective, he gets some cash, and if someone gets injured, health care workers will need to be employed, rehab people if the injury is serious enough, maybe even funeral directors. flows on into journalists, commercials space during the news and Today Tonight. that is a well balanced programme, never sensationalise an accident. just focus on the facts, think of the exposure kiting will get

this guy is a blessing to the industry and the economy as a whole, you just need a broader perspective

gorilla
WA, 48 posts
15 Apr 2009 11:35AM
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So bennie, where do you buy your non-capitalist parasite kites from? Maybe you make them yourself in your own little kite factory down in the bottom of your garden. Maybe you source all your materials from factories who are owned by the workers. Maybe you fetch the materials on your bicycle because you wouldn't want to use any petrol from the evil capitalist parasite oil companies. And of course you'd hand stitch all your kites cos, you know, electricity companies make a bit of profit, and are thus capitalists, and thus filthy parasites.

I don't think so.

Think a bit before you make a comment and maybe keep quiet if you can't say something constructive.

Smedg
NSW, 836 posts
15 Apr 2009 2:26PM
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Gorilla. Fair point but off topic.

What are your thoughts on the add?

Fair? Irresponsible? What do you think?

gorilla
WA, 48 posts
15 Apr 2009 1:18PM
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Smedg, apologies for the off-topicness of the previous post

Regarding the ad, I don't think the safety aspect is mentioned as well as it could be, particularly regarding lessons and the fact that you need a harness to be able to control it. The bit on "super stormy weather" is also a bit worrying.

I think that if the last sentence was modified by removing "with larger kite sizes" and adding on something along the lines of "and take lessons if you have never received kitesurfing instruction". Maybe put it in a slightly bigger font?

Also maybe push the family side a little less, or save it for use on the trainer kite.

Just my 2 cents (I quite like NEW kites and think that they put out a good product)

jeff2
WA, 221 posts
15 Apr 2009 1:47PM
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REMEMBER WHEN; There were no kite flying instructors , there were only a hand full of kites that were made for kitesurfing and anyone could buy a kite of any size and go fly it without any knowledge.
People still need to be responsible for their own actions .
In my opinion , NEW KITES have done nothing wrong and good luck to them if they can sell more with a little advertising!

Smedg
NSW, 836 posts
15 Apr 2009 3:54PM
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jeff2 said...

REMEMBER WHEN; There were no kite flying instructors , there were only a hand full of kites that were made for kitesurfing and anyone could buy a kite of any size and go fly it without any knowledge.
People still need to be responsible for their own actions .
In my opinion , NEW KITES have done nothing wrong and good luck to them if they can sell more with a little advertising!



No one was saying they are safe for the whole family though.....

jeff2
WA, 221 posts
15 Apr 2009 2:08PM
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No one was saying they are safe for the whole family though.....


no one used to say anything about safety ,until somebody got hurt!
Now everyone seems to think that others have to be told .
WHY is that ?

bennie
ACT, 1258 posts
15 Apr 2009 4:15PM
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gorilla said...

So bennie, where do you buy your non-capitalist parasite kites from? Maybe you make them yourself in your own little kite factory down in the bottom of your garden. Maybe you source all your materials from factories who are owned by the workers. Maybe you fetch the materials on your bicycle because you wouldn't want to use any petrol from the evil capitalist parasite oil companies. And of course you'd hand stitch all your kites cos, you know, electricity companies make a bit of profit, and are thus capitalists, and thus filthy parasites.

I don't think so.

Think a bit before you make a comment and maybe keep quiet if you can't say something constructive.


Maybe you should learn to read before posting about other peoples comments. You completely missed the point of my response. The ad trys to sell a kite as a safe family activity, obviously aimed at complete newbys to the sport, without mention of the dangers involved. Anyone with a working frontal lobe and a knowlede of the potential dangers of a kite in the wrong hand would recognise this.

As for the capitalist parasite comment, I am completly pro capitalism, but this guy/company is trying to profit from selling/marketing kites in way that completly missleads the uneducated, which could result in pain for the whole kiting community.

Also monkeyboy how constuctive would you rate your post! Maybe you should be the one keeping quiet

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
15 Apr 2009 4:50PM
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Perhaps the word "Family" could have (should have ) been left out...but aside from that I reckon you guys are a bit harsh.......

I am usually totally against selling kites on ebay but in this case the guy is a recognised known and experienced kiter selling a brand New (no pun intended ) modern Kite from his own company .......it is not a second hand relic from 2001/2002 with no safety mechanisms...........

Perhaps the pornstar could offer a free lesson with the kite ( in Gero ) then everyone would be happy

gorilla
WA, 48 posts
15 Apr 2009 4:10PM
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Maybe you should learn to read before posting about other peoples comments. You completely missed the point of my response. The ad trys to sell a kite as a safe family activity, obviously aimed at complete newbys to the sport, without mention of the dangers involved. Anyone with a working frontal lobe and a knowlede of the potential dangers of a kite in the wrong hand would recognise this.

As for the capitalist parasite comment, I am completly pro capitalism, but this guy/company is trying to profit from selling/marketing kites in way that completly missleads the uneducated, which could result in pain for the whole kiting community.

Also monkeyboy how constuctive would you rate your post! Maybe you should be the one keeping quiet


bennie,

My apologies my good sir! I had no idea that I was dealing with a man of science, a learned man - one who peppers his posts with terms like "frontal lobe" and "monkeyboy". If I had known that, I would have kept quiet and been content to soak in all of the wisdom that said learned man issued forth.

I feel that there is no recourse for myself other than being flogged in the church square at 5 bells to atone for my speaking out of turn.

Your humble servant,
gorilla

awetdog
NSW, 59 posts
15 Apr 2009 6:31PM
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well i am guilty, bit harsh, its a sensitive topic. i have not used your kites. it is good they are australian. maybe when you take the call/order you include info and ask probing questions to lead newbies to the promised land. i dont know. perhaps i will assume you're altruistic, rather than me being a cynic.

good luck, and i hope you push safety. but i have a 2.5m trainer (imp) and its way to strong for smaller kids, <40kg say. it would be sad to read "so n so became a quadriplegic today...in a kiting accident, it was bought on ebay"

sebol
WA, 753 posts
16 Apr 2009 12:31AM
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Get a mint looking kite and free lesson, can't beat that, good on you
Hope you sell plenty and i will call you at the next Rudd grant

Surfer62
1357 posts
16 Apr 2009 7:30AM
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Positive criticism can work wonders, NJ took it on board, notes error and takes action, didnt shoot the messenger, fair enough.

How about sending a demo 7m over here, havent actually seen one in these parts, might even buy it, cheers

Smedg
NSW, 836 posts
16 Apr 2009 12:03PM
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Surfer62 said...

Positive criticism can work wonders, NJ took it on board, notes error and takes action, didnt shoot the messenger, fair enough.

How about sending a demo 7m over here, havent actually seen one in these parts, might even buy it, cheers




I could be the east coast guy demoing an 11m..??? NJ Pornstar, should I pm you my address?

PS. I think the compromise reached is a fairly big improvement on the original add. It does mention light wind practice and whilst still isn't exactly how I think it should be sold, it is a good compromise from NEW.

Good on ya NJpornstar for taking on some advice.

Good on ya Surfer 62. You've made a difference..



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