Talk about spreading BS.
Someone said C kites uncontrolable and no depower? What tha?
I can say most bridle kites sit further down wind and dont shoot to the edge of the wind window when edging hard and depowering. Nothing like a well tuned direct connected kite.
There are a bunch of C kites that have great wind range probably better top end than some models of electronic bridle kites
and some C kite have many more launch, relaunch and self landing options.
You caant rant on and generalize depending on what you have in stock in your shop.
Lets not go calling the kettle black NJ, surely it is you that has a shed full of C kites???
I sell C kites, all 5 liners too.https://www.kitepower.com.au/catalog/product_17196_Slingshot_Fuel_08_cat_330.html
And the Naish Torch, but there are not amny others around.
Does not change what I am saying about them. These days C kites are for experienced to advanced riders only.
Posting links of videos with guys standing in shallow water relaunching, so what?
The video is from so far away, we cannot see what the flyer is doing, and its cut so we cannot see the flyer getting dragged at relaunch.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve
In two years time,
you won't see a C-kite in the sky.
Porno,
Have you considered bringing out a NEW bow kite ?
You know bows offer more range.
Maybe that's what puts you off ?
One-kite quivers are bad for biz.
How about a bow kite with a 5th line ?
I know you love that extra string.
I like variety....4 line, 5 line, bow, hybrid, C....all good all fun every day.
Good troll Dave......, brought out all the kite technos.
Thanks gruezi...... I looked on seabreeze and it was so boring, same old topics. I missed Stevie, waveslave, kitecrazzy, gstar and the rest of the gang flaming each other, as well as Darrens well reasoned and factual comments which always inform.
I absolutely love that I've got lots of thumbs down by forum junkies who dont know the difference between a statement and a question.
My point on starting this thread is that no matter what kite you ride you should always ride a kite appropriate for the wind conditions.
BTW I think the concorde was actually grounded for safety reasons, remember the one that fell out of the sky????
C shaped kites for advanced riders?
The most successful riders I know learnt kiting on a C shaped kite, actually most still fly C shape kites as they have more function and behave themselves far better.
It's easy if someone shows you how to relaunch your kite from all situations.
This takes around 1 extra hour of lessons or watching a few different instructional kite flicks.
Then instantly your have a better idea of whats going on, when you need to know.
I would say a flat shape kite with bridles is way harder to relaunch once on its back and has a pretty good chance of going inside out.
5 line relaunch may take a few extra seconds compared to a bridle kite, but it is sure as **** a heap more reliable. Nothing more of a pain than a bow with the LE down and facing towards you, or a bridle tangle. Even with a modern 5th, at least if you wrap the line around the kite, you can undo the 5th and do a standard 4 line relaunch. Still, at the end of the day the good old opposing front line/rear line relaunch for a 4 line C is reliable and effective and saves on the need for any bridle nonsense or 5th line.
Ouch....Steve is giving the "utter genius" grammar lessons!
"Its completely obvious to me that you are an utter genius Dave, who got a bit bored??
However, if you place a question mark at the end of a sentence, then it is a question, and not a statement"
or it could be both.
as waveslave would say "LOL"
steven that's a lot of quoting, strange....
I have taught people on 5 line kites.
They end up far better kite pilots because they know more.
Waveslave.
Waveslave.
Select to expand quoteNJPornstar said...
steven that's a lot of quoting, strange....
I fixed it so it looks better, sorry.
Its just breaking your post and argument into 3 easy to counter answer, sections, ok.NJPornstar said...
I have taught people on 5 line kites.
So have I, so have heaps of instructors (who are conspicuoulsy not supporting your argument), in fact we all pretty much had no option for a couple of years prior to the release of bow/hybrid/high depower kites.NJPornstar said...
They end up far better kite pilots because they know more.
More than what??????
WTF?
The type of kite flown, has almost no relevence to the skill a flyer might develop, provided the kite is correctly rigged and the flyer survives each learning or flying session.
The only things that teach a flyer are the interactions between the flyer, the kite, THE WIND and other kiters.
Its completely obvious that you have a vested interest in promoting 5 line C kites, and arguments like this last quote are just simply illogical, let it go eh?
Enjoy your kites and stick with what you know. I keep replying because I want the anonymous and curious, non posting reader to know the truth.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve
I dont want a reseller pulling the wool over newbies eyes either.
C kites and 5 lines are good for.
Help with top end stability.
Help relaunching super fast when you have worked it out.
Kill the power and land consistanty down wind where an out of control kite ends up.
Kills the power so well full power tricks you arent punishished by the kite.
Good systems work well for depower/relaunch with over 15 twists in the lines.
Safety leash can be connected all the time and have reliable performance.
5th connected Safety leash is the only practical leash for riding sliders.
Your kite can be landed directly down wind on tight side shore beaches.
Your kite turns off completely doesnt tangle up the lines and can be relaunched after release.
Your kite lasts longer as it doesnt get stressed from speeding in the water
You can set up the kite to drift of the wind while wave riding.
When released in the surf theres more of a chance the kite wil float lightly up and over white water. Instead of catching the white water and blowing panels out.
5th is like a extra hand on the kite so you have more control of the wing when its down, meaning you can handle it in difficult situations while still controlling the kite at the bar.
5th also helps you in a situation where you dont want the kite to fly at all, No tight sweeping lines across the wind window.
2 tangled 5 line kites is not too bad when the rigs are released.
5 lines Russian starts in almost no wind, 3 knts, Cause you can decrease the angle of attack so far it will fly.
If your system has a cleat you can cleat off 30cm and you wont fly when raving sh1t on the beach to your mates.
5 lines is generally a 100% depowering leash that will less likely break due to stress damage.
More skilled riders use 5 lines, cause they can...
4 lines and bridles are good for alittle more wind range and its always a bummer when things wear out and break when there's truck loads of wind.
Porno,
I guess when you think about it.....
Your 5th line kites are (in a way) bridled kites too.
A bit like a bow kite only C shaped.
You see,
the 5th line is really a single-line bridle, albeit a very simple bridle.
And in the case of NEW kites, the 5th line splits into two lines.....<
so it's a double-line bridle supporting and acting upon the central LE.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I have a 4 line C Kite and yes it is taking me a bit longer to get used to it than when I was being taught on a Bow Kite but I'm getting the hang of it. I don't see the big deal anyway, as long as you are having fun,
We are all in this sport for the same reason....... Fun!!! And no matter what kite someone has it all comes down to personal preference (like Liz said earlier)
I've been kiting for 2 months now. I have a C kite and a Hybrid kite. I am still undecided as to which one i like better and which way i go when i upgrade.
Actually when i think about it, i think i like the yellow one better than the grey one...
Couldn't a 5th line be attached (at least in theory) to a bow, with the same effect?
(In terms of launch & beach control.)
