Wanting the biggest boooosting stick for strapless surf on a wave kite
PU gives more pop then epoxy, but what floats ur boat?
I reckon I'm landing more height with my old heavy board than a new light board. The lighter board blows off my feet or flicks up into the wind and stalls. if you're popping off a bit of swell it doesn't really matter what the shape is that much as you're not really loading the board in the same way.
If ya find something that works for you, help a brother out with a recommendation... This board has so much glass in it from repairs that it is probably cracking 5kg now.
Jack, a lot of guys are saying they prefer a heavier board. I like it a little heavier, but still a little flex in it.
Definite no to epoxy.
They are too hard to fix properly. Too stiff (mostly). With PU custom I dont need to stop kiting for the day if it gets a small ding.
I'm guessing you haven't tried a new epoxy surfboard?
I can't see myself going back to a PU board now.
Much lighter and they flex soo well.
Ive just bought the Ocean Rodeo mako "Duke" surfboard.
Only had it 2 times, once on the river and once briefly on the ocean... this board is an absolute rocket, fast as hell, points very high upwind and yes - will jump big without trying.
I figured if they were world leaders with their Legendary TT Makos, and adapted that technology into a surfboard, it should do everything well for a fast smooth as silk ride with its massive concave, for a fun small to medium waveboard. Not quite as good as a pure surfboard on a wave face... but 9/10 aint bad 
Short and wide small waves boards seem to punt well. Wide tail and flat rocker goes faster down the line, seems to pick up the wind better so you go higher, plus width makes landing easier.
I get too overpowered on these boards though so personally stick to narrower shapes.Select to expand quotesurfingboye said..
I'm guessing you haven't tried a new epoxy surfboard?
I can't see myself going back to a PU board now.
Much lighter and they flex soo well.
Agree - can't write-off epoxy because there are so many different lay-up and composition options. Eg Firewire LFT are light with a heap of flex (would not recommend kiting on one though). And what about Futureflex etc?
Yeah all the top shapers are bringing out new stringerless epoxies now. I think plenty of people are probably scared from the 'tufflite' epoxies from 10 years ago. Those boards were rubbish to surf, and some kite brand surfboards still feel the same. Has anyone seen the design DHD is starting to do?
JS as well. I think with guys like KS, Tomo and Machado at FW pushing different shapes and tech in their boards, the other board companies will follow suit in order to compete.
I had a 5'4 x 19.25 Santa Cruz Ozzie Wright model (epoxy) and the only thing it did well was fly down the line, hit the lip and launch.
Select to expand quotesurfingboye said...
I'm guessing you haven't tried a new epoxy surfboard?
I can't see myself going back to a PU board now.
Much lighter and they flex soo well.
You can still use PU blank with epoxy Sick of eps blanks taking on water We are using both epoxy and poly I agree Epoxy is the future
An interesting question.
Typically the aspects that make a good surfboard make a terrible boosting board and vice versa.
So the best boosting board is a square tipped TT like the boards used in the recent King of the Air comp in cape town.
The closer you are to that TT the better you will be able to boost.
So... Boards like the vanguard with the nose and tail squarer will work better. or more to the point on a direction. The more square tipped the rear is the better it will bit in to load and pop.
Width reduces your ability to hold power and load up more so a thinner board will give better results.
Sharp rails load up better than rounded. Thin rails better than fat.
Efficiency for fast acceleration is also desirable. So SB with less tail rocker will give better results. But not enough tail rocker will give you are harsh ride in the chop pretty ****ty on the wave face.
So this is where concave comes in. A board like the duke that had a massive rocker and also a massive concave actually has a very flat rocker when measured across the water line. That makes a smooth board that is crazy efficient and fast.
Short answer. Mix the outline of the vanguard with the crazy rocker/concave/ flat waterline of the duke and you would have the best boosting tt.
Select to expand quotePlummet said..
An interesting question.
Typically the aspects that make a good surfboard make a terrible boosting board and vice versa.
So the best boosting board is a square tipped TT like the boards used in the recent King of the Air comp in cape town.
The closer you are to that TT the better you will be able to boost.
So... Boards like the vanguard with the nose and tail squarer will work better. or more to the point on a direction. The more square tipped the rear is the better it will bit in to load and pop.
Width reduces your ability to hold power and load up more so a thinner board will give better results.
Sharp rails load up better than rounded. Thin rails better than fat.
Efficiency for fast acceleration is also desirable. So SB with less tail rocker will give better results. But not enough tail rocker will give you are harsh ride in the chop pretty ****ty on the wave face.
So this is where concave comes in. A board like the duke that had a massive rocker and also a massive concave actually has a very flat rocker when measured across the water line. That makes a smooth board that is crazy efficient and fast.
Short answer. Mix the outline of the vanguard with the crazy rocker/concave/ flat waterline of the duke and you would have the best boosting tt.
I dunno if those rules apply in the same way to a strapless surfboard. the loading of the board is quite different, and you need the board to release on its own. If you took your perfect twin tip design and took the straps off, I am sure you would get some great height when you loaded and popped but I don't think the board would come with you.
Select to expand quotejackforbes said..Plummet said..
An interesting question.
Typically the aspects that make a good surfboard make a terrible boosting board and vice versa.
So the best boosting board is a square tipped TT like the boards used in the recent King of the Air comp in cape town.
The closer you are to that TT the better you will be able to boost.
So... Boards like the vanguard with the nose and tail squarer will work better. or more to the point on a direction. The more square tipped the rear is the better it will bit in to load and pop.
Width reduces your ability to hold power and load up more so a thinner board will give better results.
Sharp rails load up better than rounded. Thin rails better than fat.
Efficiency for fast acceleration is also desirable. So SB with less tail rocker will give better results. But not enough tail rocker will give you are harsh ride in the chop pretty ****ty on the wave face.
So this is where concave comes in. A board like the duke that had a massive rocker and also a massive concave actually has a very flat rocker when measured across the water line. That makes a smooth board that is crazy efficient and fast.
Short answer. Mix the outline of the vanguard with the crazy rocker/concave/ flat waterline of the duke and you would have the best boosting tt.
I dunno if those rules apply in the same way to a strapless surfboard. the loading of the board is quite different, and you need the board to release on its own. If you took your perfect twin tip design and took the straps off, I am sure you would get some great height when you loaded and popped but I don't think the board would come with you.
True. The technique will be different and you obviously don't want to strapless wave ride your TT. But that aspects that make a board more loadable or less loadable will be the same. What I'm trying to say is that if you take some of those aspects that make the for a ggod boosting TT and incorporate them into a surfboard design. Like the vanguard for its chopped down nose and tail or the or duke for its flat water line/huge concave/rocker combos you will end up with a better boosting board than a traditional Sb.
Get an Axis new wave.
It has a good rocker and LOADS of flex, the flex will allow you to build up speed without the chop making you unbalanced. This will help you hit a wave and launch off them. The board also has a concave deck with eps (idk if that's right) foam and the rails are easy to grab on.
The weight is alright too, just enough to keep it from blowing away and not to much to make the weight noticeable.
The only thing is I've cracked two of them (2015 version), seem to only last 6 months.... Other then that they're a great board.
I'm riding a Firewire Vader now and find it a bit light, but it's good =].
^^^^ PVC foam in the new wave, not eps, so it won't absorb water if you ding it.
Select to expand quoteBrohan said..
Get an Axis new wave.
It has a good rocker and LOADS of flex, the flex will allow you to build up speed without the chop making you unbalanced. This will help you hit a wave and launch off them. The board also has a concave deck with eps (idk if that's right) foam and the rails are easy to grab on.
The weight is alright too, just enough to keep it from blowing away and not to much to make the weight noticeable.
The only thing is I've cracked two of them (2015 version), seem to only last 6 months.... Other then that they're a great board.
I'm riding a Firewire Vader now and find it a bit light, but it's good =].
I've snapped my Axis New Wave almost in half the other day on a small wave. Was really surprised that it gave up the ghost so soon. Awesome board though, I'll fix mine.
Did you return yours or did you fix them yourself Brohan?
Select to expand quotedjdojo said..
^^^^ PVC foam in the new wave, not eps, so it won't absorb water if you ding it
Ahh that's the one lol.
Select to expand quoteKajo said..
Brohan said..
Get an Axis new wave.
It has a good rocker and LOADS of flex, the flex will allow you to build up speed without the chop making you unbalanced. This will help you hit a wave and launch off them. The board also has a concave deck with eps (idk if that's right) foam and the rails are easy to grab on.
The weight is alright too, just enough to keep it from blowing away and not to much to make the weight noticeable.
The only thing is I've cracked two of them (2015 version), seem to only last 6 months.... Other then that they're a great board.
I'm riding a Firewire Vader now and find it a bit light, but it's good =].
I've snapped my Axis New Wave almost in half the other day on a small wave. Was really surprised that it gave up the ghost so soon. Awesome board though, I'll fix mine.
Did you return yours or did you fix them yourself Brohan?
I got a new one back on warranty which was pretty good, trying to get the second one back now on extended Credit Card warranty.
Where did yours crack and was it the 2015 one?
Loads of people are so surprised I've cracked them, but I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary on them....
They are a great board though.
Select to expand quoteBrohan said..
Get an Axis new wave.
It has a good rocker and LOADS of flex, the flex will allow you to build up speed without the chop making you unbalanced. This will help you hit a wave and launch off them. The board also has a concave deck with eps (idk if that's right) foam and the rails are easy to grab on.
The weight is alright too, just enough to keep it from blowing away and not to much to make the weight noticeable.
The only thing is I've cracked two of them (2015 version), seem to only last 6 months.... Other then that they're a great board.
I'm riding a Firewire Vader now and find it a bit light, but it's good =].
I've snapped my Axis New Wave almost in half the other day on a small wave. Was really surprised that it gave up the ghost so soon. Awesome board though, I'll fix mine.
Did you return yours or did you fix them yourself Brohan?
I got a new one back on warranty which was pretty good, trying to get the second one back now on extended Credit Card warranty.
Where did yours crack and was it the 2015 one?
Loads of people are so surprised I've cracked them, but I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary on them....
They are a great board though.
Mine is a 2013 model. Where did you send it to? I assume I'm out of warranty on mine anyway... :(
Select to expand quoteKajo said..Brohan said..
Get an Axis new wave.
It has a good rocker and LOADS of flex, the flex will allow you to build up speed without the chop making you unbalanced. This will help you hit a wave and launch off them. The board also has a concave deck with eps (idk if that's right) foam and the rails are easy to grab on.
The weight is alright too, just enough to keep it from blowing away and not to much to make the weight noticeable.
The only thing is I've cracked two of them (2015 version), seem to only last 6 months.... Other then that they're a great board.
I'm riding a Firewire Vader now and find it a bit light, but it's good =].
I've snapped my Axis New Wave almost in half the other day on a small wave. Was really surprised that it gave up the ghost so soon. Awesome board though, I'll fix mine.
Did you return yours or did you fix them yourself Brohan?
I got a new one back on warranty which was pretty good, trying to get the second one back now on extended Credit Card warranty.
Where did yours crack and was it the 2015 one?
Loads of people are so surprised I've cracked them, but I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary on them....
They are a great board though.
Mine is a 2013 model. Where did you send it to? I assume I'm out of warranty on mine anyway... :(
I bought it off kitepower, they're really helpful. Mine only had 1 years warranty on it, so yours is probably out of warranty.
