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Best hand-held wind meter?

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Created by Knickers > 9 months ago, 4 Nov 2008
puppetonastring
WA, 3619 posts
4 Nov 2008 6:28PM
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[b]dism said
Still at the personal attacks puppet?

Chill dism - Sandy & I have been passing forum insults for many a long day. All in good fun. Besides not much of what I say here on SB is in any way serious.
And you gotta remember too .... that unless SG really is the real son of Mr Harry Groper - the guy who knocked up his girlfriend at Safety Bay one drunken Sat night then called his son Sandy as a memorial - then an attack on an anonymous forum tag is hardly personal.
And Sandy - if that Harry guy really is your dad its a pity he didnt know to do it in the afternoon. It would have been much safer sex then

[b]dism said
Does you windmeter keep a good accurate reading? Or dodgy? What brand?


OK OK I checked. (so seriously now)
Mine is a Kestrel 1000. Blue cw cover ( & a bit of string to indicate direction)
Good reading as long as its pointing directly into the wind.
Mate has a 360 deg whirly gig on top (cw backlight ) type which reads similar accuracy but more consistent range. And its easier to get right. Dont know the brand.
From memory mine was ex US about $150 a few years ago. Seen them in Oz for around $100/$120 since ?

ps: whatever - its just another one of those toys you dont really need imo. Comes in handy to win (or lose) bets occassionally.

dism
NSW, 660 posts
4 Nov 2008 8:37PM
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Didn't realise the forum rivalry/friendship insults history (just saw bad taste without knowning the pre-text), (opps) so i'll chill now

Interesting/rank nickname if it holds true (but guessing its another payout) haha

Cheers for the wind meter info

laurie
WA, 3858 posts
4 Nov 2008 6:37PM
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This will be handy if you run out of batteries .. the trusty ol' Beaufort scale ...

10 knots or less
--Land: Wind felt on face; leaves rustle; ordinary vanes moved by wind.
--Water: wavelets, ripples formed but do not break: A glassy appearance maintained.

11-16 knots
--Land: Raises dust and loose paper; small branches are moved.
--Water: Small waves - becoming longer; fairly frequent white horses.

17-21 knots
--Land: Small trees in leaf begin to sway; crested wavelets form on inland waters
--Water: Moderate waves, taking a more pronounced long form; many white horses are formed - a chance of some spray

22-27 knots
--Land: Large branches in motion; whistling heard in telephone wires; umbrellas used with difficulty.
--Water: Large waves begin to form; the white foam crests are more extensive with probably some spray

28-33 knots
--Land: Whole trees in motion; inconvenience felt when walking against wind.
--Water: Sea heaps up and white foam from breaking waves begins to be blown in streaks along direction ofwind.

Full table here:
www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Help/Beaufort.aspx

sandgroper
WA, 368 posts
4 Nov 2008 8:05PM
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puppetonastring said...

[b]dism said
Still at the personal attacks puppet?

Chill dism - Sandy & I have been passing forum insults for many a long day. All in good fun. ....
<SNIP>


I take it that you've run out of insults POAS, so now you're just telling outright lies.

For the record, I have no prior personal association (ie "history") with POAS other than insults, abuse and (now) lies launched against me by POAS on this forum.


sandgroper
WA, 368 posts
4 Nov 2008 8:22PM
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Select to expand quote

Are you Macgyverwell done


BrisKites
QLD, 1292 posts
5 Nov 2008 7:44AM
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Skywatch are the way to go. X-Plorer 3 and 4 have a built in compass- www.briskites.com.au/index.php?l=product_detail&p=8

wal269
WA, 718 posts
5 Nov 2008 11:02AM
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For wind meter owners

www.quizrocket.com/nerd-test/

For Airush Geoff

www.quizrocket.com/GAY-test/

sandgroper
WA, 368 posts
5 Nov 2008 1:28PM
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wal269
Mr T
City Beach, WA, Australia
Sports: Kitesurfing
Favourite Spots: I Pity the Fool


So "Mr T". You hate "Nerd"s and "Gay"s. Anyone else you'd like to vilify while you're at it ?

wal269
WA, 718 posts
5 Nov 2008 1:49PM
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Are you calling me a hater?

airush geoff
974 posts
5 Nov 2008 1:52PM
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Wal- you are a sick puppy, I have one thing to say to you : SLOPS !!!!!!!!!

I took the test and came back as confused------?????????

wal269
WA, 718 posts
5 Nov 2008 2:08PM
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Ipso facto Geoff

puppetonastring
WA, 3619 posts
5 Nov 2008 2:36PM
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Hey Wal
An avatar of you in your Knight Kiters Klub uniform
I like it

ps I tried one of those ipso factos once but I face planted

Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
5 Nov 2008 4:28PM
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puppetonastring said...

Hey Wal
An avatar of you in your Knight Kiters Klub uniform
I like it

ps I tried one of those ipso factos once but I face planted


Makes me happy seeing you trolling up seabreeze puppet.

P.S there are a LOT of better things for you to spend your money on than a windmeter, seeing you can get by just fine without one. Pretty much just out there for the Inspector Gadgets.

P.P.S I still can't work out if Sandgroper is taking the piss with his invention, can someone help me out here.

hoskoau
NSW, 100 posts
5 Nov 2008 6:16PM
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Back on the original subject. You don't actually want a handheld wind meter if you want to know direction as well. You want to mount it on a tripod with some sort of vane attachment so it automaticly positions it facing the wind.

Directional wind meters need to be constantly facing the wind or they don't work properly. If this sounds like too much work get an omni directional one (the type with the little cups that spin.

Knickers
WA, 257 posts
5 Nov 2008 6:23PM
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Well maybe I am starting to go nerdy, wanting a wind meter .

I want to compare actual beach wind readings to online readings (which in my experience so far is often very different) so in the future I can tell from home (which is miles away) whether it is worth heading for the water and what gear to take, so I dont
a). waste my time and petrol driving 45mins, and
b). take extra gear to sit in my car as thief bait.

I have also been getting to a lot of new/unknown spots recently where the usual beaufort scale wind markers I use have not been right once I got the kite in the air.

A compass is to document beach orientation at these new spots, so I can figure out for future what wind direction works or not.

So yes, I am nerding up! Thanks to those with useful suggestions and I may have to get in touch with our resident McGyver!

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
6 Nov 2008 12:02AM
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Knickers said...

I think its time I bought a wind meter, can anyone recommend which are the best (not expensive) brands to look for?

Do any of them come with a compass so you can check direction as well (for the geographically embarassed ).


I have (had) a Skywatch, just the basic model. It works well enough, but I lost it somewhere. Once I lost it, I couldn't be bothered buying another as I find there are lots of other ways to tell what the wind is doing. Print out a copy of the Beaufort scale and use that. Heaps cheaper.

speller
QLD, 131 posts
6 Nov 2008 12:03AM
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I have two hand held wind meters - one 13m and one 9m. I find if the 13m meter doesn't fly well, wind is less than 12 kts, if 9m pulls me off the ground its over 30 kts .
Best wind meter ever - white caps = kiting.

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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5 Nov 2008 11:17PM
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Hey Knickers,

Don't listen to the nay sayers. It seems ironic to me that the people who put crap on anyone with a wind meter are usually the first to come down and ask what the wind is blowing.

You don't need a wind meter, but it can be reassuring to those not confident with their own ability to read the water or if they happen to be in a location as Nic says, that doesn't have her usual wind indicators.

Nerd it up Nic, there is no shame in using the meter. See for yourself how many punters come and ask you the wind speed when you are taking wind readings.

Those people are Nerds in denial

Good winds,

RK
WA, 102 posts
5 Nov 2008 11:34PM
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Hey Nic,

I will still talk to you if you become a wind nerd.

Rob

Knickers
WA, 257 posts
6 Nov 2008 11:28AM
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Thanks Rob

Time to see you on the water dude, give me a buzz, I am still free most of the time

sandgroper
WA, 368 posts
6 Nov 2008 11:28AM
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Spacemonkey! said...

puppetonastring said...

Hey Wal
An avatar of you in your Knight Kiters Klub uniform
I like it

ps I tried one of those ipso factos once but I face planted


Makes me happy seeing you trolling up seabreeze puppet.

P.S there are a LOT of better things for you to spend your money on than a windmeter, seeing you can get by just fine without one. Pretty much just out there for the Inspector Gadgets.

P.P.S I still can't work out if Sandgroper is taking the piss with his invention, can someone help me out here.


POAS has a problem with people who have an opinion different to his own.

Every day millions of old working PC's are discarded to land fill. The people most culpible for this envionmental timebomb are the ones who will go out and invest in the latest new electronic technology as soon as it comes along and discard perfectly good older technology. Electronics is environmentally among the most toxic to put into landfill (arsenic, germanium (etc) heavy metals).

Recycling an old multimeter and unused PC fan is not "taking the piss" and is not an "invention". Its "recycling". Some people are yet to understand that recycling is a way of life, not a single act.

I get a good result from this combo of old bits (see above), it cost me nothing (more) and took less time to build than shopping round for one. I could spend more time calibrating it into knots - but what for? The underlying technology to any windmeter is volts. There are only 3 wind levels that matter, and it has saved me several times from going out in too strong or too light winds, and in a small way also helps save the environment.

The Dick Smith wind meter is as good as any but the moving coil meter (analog) display works much better than the digital display for fluctuating wind readings. Digital displays tend to raise unrealistic accuracy expectations in wind sampling neophytes. Windspeed sampling is always an estimation only. (See BOM website).

Paying $90+ for a wind meter is fine if you need to be told windspeed in knots. A lot of people dont even know how to use a wind meter let alone a multimeter - its no good reading windspeed in the car park and complaining about accuracy. A windmeter is not for you if you are not prepared to learn how to sample wind.

Omnidirectional meters seem to be overkill for this application (kiting), and you'd just pay more for less information (ie no sense of wind direction).

If you want temperature, Bunnings have a garden thermometer for about $7 (yes, I keep one in my car). Tie it to a piece of string and throw it in the water for water temp.

In short DIY and start saving the planet from the environmental catastrophe now upon us.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
6 Nov 2008 11:48AM
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Nerding up for a moment..

Q?: Will a wind meter held 2m or so above the ground (on a flat-ish beach) generally be reading 3-4 kts lighter than the breeze blowing 20m or so higher?

wal269
WA, 718 posts
6 Nov 2008 1:08PM
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I nominate Sandgroper for the award for funniest posts of all time.

I truly love it.

With millions of discarded PC's we could give everyone in Australia a Macgyver wind meter. Thanks for the smiles, I never meant to truly offend.


loverboy
WA, 614 posts
6 Nov 2008 1:32PM
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Nice avatar Wal- fits you perfectly....

For the wind meters and stuff try this website, www.kenelec.com.au

Search for anemometers....vane or hotwire. Cool stuff for all the techno geeks out there....oops, sorry, is that offensive ?

wal269
WA, 718 posts
6 Nov 2008 1:57PM
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Nerds, gays and South Australians.

Who doesn't hate them?

loverboy
WA, 614 posts
6 Nov 2008 2:06PM
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Aah Wallace, the face of thousands of years of evolution towards tolerance- come here ya big softie...grrrrr

hoskoau
NSW, 100 posts
6 Nov 2008 4:09PM
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Q?: Will a wind meter held 2m or so above the ground (on a flat-ish beach) generally be reading 3-4 kts lighter than the breeze blowing 20m or so higher?


The simple solution would be to attach the wind meter to the kite and find out.

The higher up you go the windier it gets. This is a well known fact when designing skyscrapers.

Paradox
QLD, 1326 posts
6 Nov 2008 3:54PM
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hoskoau said...

Q?: Will a wind meter held 2m or so above the ground (on a flat-ish beach) generally be reading 3-4 kts lighter than the breeze blowing 20m or so higher?


The simple solution would be to attach the wind meter to the kite and find out.

The higher up you go the windier it gets. This is a well known fact when designing skyscrapers.


There are a lot of graphs and formula's used for turbine and structures design that indicate the wind is approx 30% stronger at 20m over that at 2m (15kts@2m is 20kts@20m). Atlhough these figures are likely to represent average land based values. I would think it is probably less of a factor over water where the surface drag is less.

I would think you are about spot on with a 3-4 kt difference over the water getfunky.

[EDIT] PS love your windmeter SG, I never really considered buying one but I am now seriously tempted to make one of these. If you found the right spot you could attach the fan 10m up a pole somewhere near your local and conceal some wires coming out around ground level. you would just need to hook up the trusty multi when you turn up - the whole crew could use it .....

dirtyharry
WA, 444 posts
6 Nov 2008 9:02PM
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Every day millions of old working PC's are discarded to land fill. The people most culpible for this envionmental timebomb are the ones who will go out and invest in the latest new electronic technology as soon as it comes along and discard perfectly good older technology.



Wicked - thanks. I was going to run out and invest in the latest technology. Instead, I think I'll root around for a few hours building my own from recycled materials (which will involve driving to my local landfill facility, purchasing some lead-filled solder to do the connections etc) and I'll be "saving the planet from the environmental catastrophe now upon us".

Of course I could have spent those hours planting trees, picking up dolphin-stranglers off the beach, or at work (then contributing the extra $ I'd have earnt to a coordinated approach to environmentalism like Greenpeace or WWF). But surely none of those would have the same impact as 1 less PC-fan in landfill!!!

Also, what about the impact your idea will have on the second-hand multi-meter market and the associated flow-on effects? It'll be the global financial crisis all over again!!!

Nice and clever idea, but claiming it is a contribution to the environmantal woes of the world is drawing a pretty long bow (or C )!!

ianmac
WA, 267 posts
6 Nov 2008 11:27PM
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Hey nickers the exploer 3 does the trick i bought mine when i started so i could tell what it really was , now it tend to be after a session "how hard is it blowing now ?"
every one get its right within 3-5 knts but its nice toknow



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