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Created by sandgroper > 9 months ago, 8 Apr 2009
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SammyJ
WA, 570 posts
8 Apr 2009 6:02PM
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Anyway moving on...

Out of interest, if Alex isn't right about being the pioneer of kite surfing who is??.

I know that's going to open a can of worm's, but it does interest me. Purely from what I read on this forum Darren and Steve would be up there.

Has anyone come across websites/info on the development and progress of kiting in Australia

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
8 Apr 2009 8:52PM
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SammyJ said...

Anyway moving on...

Out of interest, if Alex isn't right about being the pioneer of kite surfing who is??.

I know that's going to open a can of worm's, but it does interest me. Purely from what I read on this forum Darren and Steve would be up there.

Has anyone come across websites/info on the development and progress of kiting in Australia


If its any help there was a group of us here in Newcastle that were into buggying and mountainboarding in the mid/late 90's. We started sandboarding from one end of nobby's and dicko to the other and would do long body drags and jump off the waves with our land kites along the bar - merewether stretch ,pack up and do it again.One of the guys came in with an edition of 'Inside sport" with a photo of Elliot Leboe with a wipi classic and we just had to find out more .Tracked down the photographer in Hawaii (would you believe his name was Peter Sterling ) who put us in touch with wipi and Mat colefax turned up a few weeks later .The rest is history and yes Alex was getting into it with his pants and other crazy things like his 'bouncy shoes " from Sweeden pretty early on .
Kane Hartil from Christchurch was an inspiration but we just couldn't figure out how the NZ crew managed to kite (let alone kitesurf ) with C quads .(figured it out when we visited christchurch ,you can stand up most of the time in the poo pond estuary crashing a cquad wasn't so much of an issue.) Ran the first kitesurf event at Anna bay Birubi (the love in ) where just about anyone in kiting turned up . Dave ( speed man now),Dale torriero(that guy rips in the waves)and James from Melbourne Steve from kitepower ,Mat from Wipi ,Alex from Stonker , Youngie from Perth made the trip (and paid out on our crap wind .i'm with ya there Ian just took a while to figure it out and thanks for the downwinder idea what a blast) Ben Merk nearly fried my fourby in the dunes doing the chase (he was suffering from one of many of his kite injuries) plus a cast of many other early die hards (please insert names ) and yes EUROPANTS WAS THERE with his super 8 camera
One of the things that helped make it a blast was that 'oh so dangerous" land kiting in the light or crap winds

GreenPat
QLD, 4093 posts
8 Apr 2009 9:45PM
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I never thought I'd see the day.

junglist
VIC, 701 posts
8 Apr 2009 9:56PM
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SammyJ said...

Anyway moving on...

Out of interest, if Alex isn't right about being the pioneer of kite surfing who is??.



The French [}:)]

tightlines
WA, 3502 posts
8 Apr 2009 8:23PM
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laurie said...


<snip>
In the lead for the "Most Unpopular by Count of Votes" is Mr Sanz
Leading the "Most Unpopular by Count of Unique Voters" is Mr Groper

<snip>


Who/what is a unique voter....ie are Mr Sanz & Mr Groper unique voters or are they just "special posters"?

GreenPat
QLD, 4093 posts
8 Apr 2009 10:30PM
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I would say they are unique, you're right that far.

Alex sanz
NSW, 106 posts
9 Apr 2009 1:04AM
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I never said I was the only pioneer, I said I was a pioneer.

when I bough my first power kite steve didn't even own a kite shop.

I gave a lot of my time and energy to get the sport where it is today. Not that anyone cares anymore. Helped dolls develope and Melbourne as well as Byron, thats years helping the local shops.
I have not sold an inflatable for over 6 years. Yet I do at least 10 lessons a week. already most of my customers have bought gear from steve and yet he still hates me ?? same thing happened with SHQ and RPS and they hate me as well. I don't get It!!! and they never throw lessons my way. the opposite actually happens.

Very dissapointed the way it has turned out.

Did lots of TV and News papers and now I have all that kite content to share with who ever wants to see it.

AM I SO BAD?????

slitepower
NT, 23 posts
9 Apr 2009 6:49AM
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Na we love ya Alex it's only those ****y euro hot pants you wear around we hate.
Do yourself a favour GO AND BUY SOME BOARDIES it will do you the world of good and then I'm sure Steve will send lessons your way.
He told me he did not want to send lessons your way because of those ****y little hot pants you wear the student's will turn and run the other way I know I would.

Also stop eating those chorizo's they give you bad breath.
But apart from that you are the man you are the pioneer and you are the reason we are all kitesurfing LOL

sandgroper
WA, 368 posts
9 Apr 2009 7:23AM
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Alex sanz said...

most of my customers have bought gear from steve and yet he still hates me ?? same thing happened with SHQ and RPS and they hate me as well. I don't get It!!! and they never throw lessons my way. the opposite actually happens.


Maybe its because you advocate (and evidently teach) dangerous kiting practices to newbies, and have no respect for safety. Did you ever think about that ?

(Hey! This post means I just voted to "Ban Sanz". WooHooo! Must be up to 40 ppl by now wanting you to go, Alex. You even voted against yourself - several times !!!!! )

And BTW, this forum is overloaded with males. I'd say its about 100:1 Male to Female. Its got a bit macho-gay IMHO. Where are the women ?

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
9 Apr 2009 9:44AM
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Sandy are you a viginadecliner?

milko
NSW, 604 posts
9 Apr 2009 12:02PM
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I thought you were a chick sandgroper..you just cant pick em these days

peanuticus
NSW, 341 posts
9 Apr 2009 3:50PM
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basically Alex is a better kiter than the groper and the groper is throwing the dummy out the pram. At least Mr Sans does not hide behind his RSVP.com.au codename.

kiter789
NSW, 238 posts
9 Apr 2009 4:10PM
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sandgroper said...

Alex sanz said...

most of my customers have bought gear from steve and yet he still hates me ?? same thing happened with SHQ and RPS and they hate me as well. I don't get It!!! and they never throw lessons my way. the opposite actually happens.


Maybe its because you advocate (and evidently teach) dangerous kiting practices to newbies, and have no respect for safety. Did you ever think about that ?

(Hey! This post means I just voted to "Ban Sanz". WooHooo! Must be up to 40 ppl by now wanting you to go, Alex. You even voted against yourself - several times !!!!! )

And BTW, this forum is overloaded with males. I'd say its about 100:1 Male to Female. Its got a bit macho-gay IMHO. Where are the women ?


The women are baffled I think. Except for the part where sanctions were promised for touching your Lego. That got my attention. I've got Lego and I am sick of everyone touching it, I really am.

On another topic - there are plenty of accounts of the history of kiteboarding, generally accepting that it came about with a number of different people all thinking the same thing, all over the world....unless you are reading a French source, in which case, it was all their idea and everyone else was just copying.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
9 Apr 2009 4:22PM
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Ima gunna buuurrrnn me a withchypoo!!


Sheesh the sheep love to flock to a thread bashin like blowies ona grogan!

Get a life and stop bashing groper and Mr Sanz the lot of you kids. You are acting pretty much in the same way as you are criticising groper for.


BTW should the line "like blowies ona grogan!" - discuss, be used on the Oztraya test?

Have a bunny good easter all.

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
9 Apr 2009 7:49PM
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GreenPat said...

I've got a pie chart for you.




I damn you and you partly eaten pie to eternal indigestion...

stanhalen
WA, 187 posts
9 Apr 2009 8:27PM
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Dave ( speed man now),Dale torriero(that guy rips in the waves)and James from Melbourne Steve from kitepower ,Mat from Wipi ,Alex from Stonker , Youngie from Perth


Real pleased these guys got a mention, apart from being great ambasdors for the sport, in the early days, their still ripping it up.

Smedg
NSW, 836 posts
9 Apr 2009 10:48PM
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pclarky said...

Dave ( speed man now),Dale torriero(that guy rips in the waves)and James from Melbourne Steve from kitepower ,Mat from Wipi ,Alex from Stonker , Youngie from Perth


Real pleased these guys got a mention, apart from being great ambasdors for the sport, in the early days, their still ripping it up.


Another legend would have to be Col'n Carpenter. Possible not much of a kiter but. Man I used to love watching that guy. My favourite part was when he had to give someone (cop I think) his address.

westhammer
WA, 506 posts
9 Apr 2009 8:52PM
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In ten or twety years from now,only then will we no if this sanzy dood is a pioneer of the sport of kite,his out there in the wild doin his thing and his up for gettin verbal,but his doin something that he feels just, sandy has a point to question his ethics,but to ban his visions,your avin a laugh groper dood.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
9 Apr 2009 9:11PM
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Alex sanz said...

I never said I was the only pioneer, I said I was a pioneer.

when I bough my first power kite steve didn't even own a kite shop.

I gave a lot of my time and energy to get the sport where it is today. Not that anyone cares anymore. Helped dolls develope and Melbourne as well as Byron, thats years helping the local shops.
I have not sold an inflatable for over 6 years. Yet I do at least 10 lessons a week. already most of my customers have bought gear from steve and yet he still hates me ?? same thing happened with SHQ and RPS and they hate me as well. I don't get It!!! and they never throw lessons my way. the opposite actually happens.

Very dissapointed the way it has turned out.

Did lots of TV and News papers and now I have all that kite content to share with who ever wants to see it.

AM I SO BAD?????




This is what I like about forums. ^^^
Sometimes all the layers are stripped clean and the raw fresh is revealed and allowed to bleed.
I love the ego-tripping, the claiming, the praising of oneself....
the list of sacrifices made,
the bitterness,
the twistedness,
the demand for respect....
rightly or wrongly,
the begging for sympathy,
the cry of poverty,
the self-loathing,
the irony,
the injustice,
and best of all......
all the regret and disappointment.
You're not bad, man....
you're too good.
lol.

myusernam
QLD, 6154 posts
9 Apr 2009 11:16PM
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waveslave said...

Alex sanz said...

I never said I was the only pioneer, I said I was a pioneer.

when I bough my first power kite steve didn't even own a kite shop.

I gave a lot of my time and energy to get the sport where it is today. Not that anyone cares anymore. Helped dolls develope and Melbourne as well as Byron, thats years helping the local shops.
I have not sold an inflatable for over 6 years. Yet I do at least 10 lessons a week. already most of my customers have bought gear from steve and yet he still hates me ?? same thing happened with SHQ and RPS and they hate me as well. I don't get It!!! and they never throw lessons my way. the opposite actually happens.

Very dissapointed the way it has turned out.

Did lots of TV and News papers and now I have all that kite content to share with who ever wants to see it.

AM I SO BAD?????




This is what I like about forums. ^^^
Sometimes all the layers are stripped clean and the raw fresh is revealed and allowed to bleed.
I love the ego-tripping, the claiming, the praising of oneself....
the list of sacrifices made,
the bitterness,
the twistedness,
the demand for respect....
rightly or wrongly,
the begging for sympathy,
the cry of poverty,
the self-loathing,
the irony,
the injustice,
and best of all......
all the regret and disappointment.
You're not bad, man....
you're too good.
lol.




dont forget the rants about death leashes!

9 Apr 2009 11:54PM
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Alex sanz said...

I never said I was the only pioneer, I said I was a pioneer.

when I bough my first power kite steve didn't even own a kite shop.

I gave a lot of my time and energy to get the sport where it is today. Not that anyone cares anymore. Helped dolls develope and Melbourne as well as Byron, thats years helping the local shops.
I have not sold an inflatable for over 6 years. Yet I do at least 10 lessons a week. already most of my customers have bought gear from steve and yet he still hates me ?? same thing happened with SHQ and RPS and they hate me as well. I don't get It!!! and they never throw lessons my way. the opposite actually happens.

Very dissapointed the way it has turned out.

Did lots of TV and News papers and now I have all that kite content to share with who ever wants to see it.

AM I SO BAD?????




Alex I don't hate you. Others might, who knows, none of my concern.
Hates just not something I'm into, but I do think you are very deluded these days.
I started Kitepower back in 1993, I'm sure you will agree thats before you were into kites, I did not start in kites in Sydney, I bought the Coogee shop in 1998.
I had actually been into kites for a couple of years before opening the shop back in Geelong/1993, fairly sure it was around 1991/92 I got hooked (again). Making kites had been a big thing for me as a kid!

I remember the day quite well when I met you in Sydney. It was in Spring 1999 you had ordered a D-Wing (silly me no deposit taken). We went to a park in Maroubra, it was a gusterly, about 8-25 knots. I gave the kite to you for a fly and when you got a bit of a yank from it you freaked and let it go (2 line power kite, no leashes back in the day). Then you charged off after it and stomped on it and decided not to buy it, just left me with a kite with your bootprints on it, thanks! LOL's

You're a legend Alex thats for sure!
Pioneer, yeah (there were heaps of others), instrumental in the growth of kiting in Oz, not really, but please continue................

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

westhammer
WA, 506 posts
9 Apr 2009 10:06PM
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Kim smallman the first kite surfer to open my eyes to something that seemed unreal at the time in oz, fark that dod was out there ,all home made gear that was ahead of its time,up north ,down south ,that boy was not afraid to give it a go,watchin him do floaters in front of me was fkn unbelievable at the time .NoW its just the norm,keep it movin boyz

surfingboye
NSW, 2707 posts
11 Apr 2009 2:11AM
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I feel like everyone has bashed the sh!t out of your name.

post the video Alex. you stand up to Steve, buddy.

sebol
WA, 753 posts
11 Apr 2009 2:15AM
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ahhh, the young and the restless, my favorite show

davem207
VIC, 138 posts
11 Apr 2009 6:29AM
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nah this is more like an episode out of homo & away, i think you all should just head down to the diner and have a milk shake and get some counciling of Alf or maybe head down to yabbie creek and just have a hug with each other, seriously is this primary school or what?

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
11 Apr 2009 7:59PM
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Lol this thread is classic.

Don't let it ever be said that this forum is boring...

Alex sanz
NSW, 106 posts
12 Apr 2009 9:12PM
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sandgroper said...

Maybe its because you advocate (and evidently teach) dangerous kiting practices to newbies, and have no respect for safety. Did you ever think about that ?


How is it I advocate dangerous kiting when I only teach with 1.5 to 3m kites??

I have been teaching for over 10 years and no seriose accidents. I avoid kitesurfing lesson because they far too dangerous hence Kitesports !!!

can't undertand how it can be safe puting a newbie on a large inflatable and letting him go with practically no kite flying experiance??

I reconmend 3 months flying of small foils before you even touch an inflatable.

do you call that dangerous kiting practices??

why is the sport so small in aussie?? It because of the way it's been taught !!!! too scary !!!

Alex sanz
NSW, 106 posts
12 Apr 2009 9:17PM
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surfingboye said...

I feel like everyone has bashed the sh!t out of your name.

post the video Alex. you stand up to Steve, buddy.



I have so many videos!! I don't really care about steve or anyone else, It's all a storm in a tea cup. to me

I'm still having fun and out kiting everyday all day. I had a great lesson today in only 2 knots. Happy days

poor relative
WA, 9105 posts
12 Apr 2009 7:27PM
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Alex sanz
NSW, 106 posts
12 Apr 2009 9:36PM
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Mr float said...

SammyJ said...

Anyway moving on...

Out of interest, if Alex isn't right about being the pioneer of kite surfing who is??.

I know that's going to open a can of worm's, but it does interest me. Purely from what I read on this forum Darren and Steve would be up there.

Has anyone come across websites/info on the development and progress of kiting in Australia


If its any help there was a group of us here in Newcastle that were into buggying and mountainboarding in the mid/late 90's. We started sandboarding from one end of nobby's and dicko to the other and would do long body drags and jump off the waves with our land kites along the bar - merewether stretch ,pack up and do it again.One of the guys came in with an edition of 'Inside sport" with a photo of Elliot Leboe with a wipi classic and we just had to find out more .Tracked down the photographer in Hawaii (would you believe his name was Peter Sterling ) who put us in touch with wipi and Mat colefax turned up a few weeks later .The rest is history and yes Alex was getting into it with his pants and other crazy things like his 'bouncy shoes " from Sweeden pretty early on .
Kane Hartil from Christchurch was an inspiration but we just couldn't figure out how the NZ crew managed to kite (let alone kitesurf ) with C quads .(figured it out when we visited christchurch ,you can stand up most of the time in the poo pond estuary crashing a cquad wasn't so much of an issue.) Ran the first kitesurf event at Anna bay Birubi (the love in ) where just about anyone in kiting turned up . Dave ( speed man now),Dale torriero(that guy rips in the waves)and James from Melbourne Steve from kitepower ,Mat from Wipi ,Alex from Stonker , Youngie from Perth made the trip (and paid out on our crap wind .i'm with ya there Ian just took a while to figure it out and thanks for the downwinder idea what a blast) Ben Merk nearly fried my fourby in the dunes doing the chase (he was suffering from one of many of his kite injuries) plus a cast of many other early die hards (please insert names ) and yes EUROPANTS WAS THERE with his super 8 camera
One of the things that helped make it a blast was that 'oh so dangerous" land kiting in the light or crap winds



I have that day on video and "AIR" was the first video clip australia saw on kitesurfing. not a bad video clip !!



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