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Australian Kiteboard Expo

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Created by Adrenalin Rush > 9 months ago, 8 Jul 2009
Adrenalin Rush
QLD, 876 posts
8 Jul 2009 1:32PM
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We have been sharing ideas between some key people on this topic, and one that I feel would benefit many consumers when purchasing new gear.

Before we invest time and interest into developing such concept, I thought I would throw some ideas down for you guys to comment on.

The idea,

To establish an expo dedicated to Kiteboarding and kite related sports. The demo would allow interested brands and stores to setup display's to demo equipment. This would be an unbiased meet for all, and allow networking oppurtunities for Retailers and more importantly give you guys the chance to demo gear for your selves.

This tour would effectively stop at 3-4 major locations in Australia, allowing 80-90% of kiters easy access to a range of products and brands that possibly they have not had access too. An event like this could be run relatively cost effective, but would need the complete support from the local Kiting population.

The Expo would not need a function room, nor will it need booths and fancy lighting etc, I say set it up like Kitestock in WA, but with more focus on the product and pupose of an expo. Interested brands could setup tents and kites and display the product. Kiteboarding events bring the great people in our sport together, so that we can continue to mature as a sport and make this sport last for ever.

I would be really keen to hear your ideas on the format and if you would like to attend such an event. We are prepared to orgainise it, if people will come.

Joe Millen

cabstar
VIC, 328 posts
8 Jul 2009 1:38PM
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sounds awsome

timmymall
QLD, 8 posts
8 Jul 2009 1:40PM
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Excellent idea!, would definately go if it came to SE Qld

Card
QLD, 77 posts
8 Jul 2009 1:43PM
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Hi Joe

Yes it is a fantastic idea, we offer our support 100%

I think the key to this would be to keep it as simple as possible, with focus on kiters being able to sample all that is on offer.

Lets make it happen!!

Cheers Dan
Cardboards

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
8 Jul 2009 11:49AM
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Tops idea. At least that way you can compare apples with apples in the same conditions.

Rhys McClintock
NSW, 995 posts
8 Jul 2009 1:53PM
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Awesome - Everyone loves that aspect about Kitestock in WA - Give us east coasters something similar!

GreenPat
QLD, 4093 posts
8 Jul 2009 2:00PM
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getfunky said...

Tops idea. At least that way you can compare apples with apples in the same conditions.


Apples are good, nutritious and delicious.

Gone to dark side
NSW, 394 posts
8 Jul 2009 2:25PM
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Sounds good how about Mambo 26 Nov to 29 Nov 2009

Danger Mouse
WA, 592 posts
8 Jul 2009 1:23PM
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Would Definately support it.

D

graceful
WA, 773 posts
8 Jul 2009 1:35PM
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fantastic

pharro
WA, 89 posts
8 Jul 2009 1:36PM
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Sounds like a plan!

I'm sure the kiting community around Perth would support such an event but not sure how you'd go convincing any of the local councils to allow such a mass number of kites to be demo'd at "their" beach in the middle of summer.

Remember WA gets scared of anything new and different (Re DLS, trading hours etc. Which still sh...ts me!)

But if you couldn't convince them, I know myself (and Im sure others) would gladly travel an hour or two outside the metro area for such an event.

Great idea arsa!

Kite Mag
VIC, 154 posts
8 Jul 2009 3:49PM
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This is a fantastic idea.
How about if you incorporated the Australian Kiteboard Expo as part of an existing expo?
I'm typing without doing the research here, but maybe rolling it into an existing boat, sail, extreme sport or surfing expo.
Not only would you attract existing punters, you would also get new kiters.
Stallholders could make more money and kiters can choose for themselves.
Only problem is that they may walk out buying a boat rather than a kite
Kite Mag George

Adrenalin Rush
QLD, 876 posts
8 Jul 2009 3:59PM
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It would be great to include WA, but we would not like to dampen any enthusiasm on the Kitestock event. Also it would be a logistical nigtmare for participating brands to ship gear to all locations. I kinda tink maybe have it in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne??????

puppetonastring
WA, 3619 posts
8 Jul 2009 2:09PM
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WAKSA have a meeting tonight. I'll get it on the agenda.
But Im sure we would give it 100% support. Esp if we could get it here pre-Xmas when all the new season stuff is out but still new. I think thats what the industry would like to see as well. WAKSA has copped some criticism over having Kitestock too late in the season for 'new' demo gear to get 100% impact.

How about Mambo (end of Nov - you would have to do that) then on to Perth in Dec. It would be an awesome adjunct to Lances Kitejam which is already looking bigger & better again for 09/10.
This has been talked about for years as a desirable WAKSA event option. The caravanning idea would make it really easy, relatively cheap for kite cos. & (imo) a really BIG HUGE attraction.
Great Idea.

Adrenalin Rush
QLD, 876 posts
8 Jul 2009 4:11PM
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Kite Mag said...

This is a fantastic idea.
How about if you incorporated the Australian Kiteboard Expo as part of an existing expo?
I'm typing without doing the research here, but maybe rolling it into an existing boat, sail, extreme sport or surfing expo.
Not only would you attract existing punters, you would also get new kiters.
Stallholders could make more money and kiters can choose for themselves.
Only problem is that they may walk out buying a boat rather than a kite
Kite Mag George



Hey George,

we did the Board sports expo in Sydney 2006 and seriously it did not work. By joining another show like that, I think it would take away from the desired nature of the event. That been, for the already kiteboarding community to have a chance to try as many brands out in one go.

This event would also attract the new Kiteboarders in each area, but the people who actually are interested in the sport. I vision the event to be a very hands on event, meaning you come with your harness, you try and you report back to the brand with your feedback. This would be a very powerful tool for all retailers and brand reps.

From my experienece of years and years at home and leisure shows when I was kicking off ARSA Kiteboarding, these types of shows attract Hill billy's, guys who
make out they are the best extreme sports enthusiasts and that Kiteboarding would be piss easy cause they used to wakeboard or skateboard or snowboard or "Maate, I used to backflip in da da pool with me stubby and not drop a drop,now that takes balls", type of attitude. Im not into that any more.



bennie
ACT, 1258 posts
8 Jul 2009 4:34PM
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sounds like a great Idea. We have nothing like that in nsw. I would be stoked at the opportunity to see/demo gear from a bunch of different brands at the one spot.I am sure anybody interested in this great sport would be keen to attend.
Mambo has been mentioned a couple of times, but in my opinion it is too far away from Sydney, and the vast majority of the population of this state. I think a Brisbane/Sydney/ Melbourne tour makes sense cost wise/logistically/ and to reach the maximum amount of people.

Kite Mag
VIC, 154 posts
8 Jul 2009 4:43PM
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No worries Joe, i get it.
So target audience is just kiteboarders and it would have to be on a beach of some sort with wind so people can try products.

Adrenalin Rush
QLD, 876 posts
8 Jul 2009 4:44PM
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OK I need a location for each. The obvious location would have clean access to the beach, be a safe area that you can kite at, but if possible host a park or Flat grassy area off the beach for dealers to setup tents.

If I have a basic idea of some locations like this at each local spot, it will make it easier to propose the event to the local councils and authorities with these things in mind.

At this stage I think Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and maybe Perth?



Kite Mag
VIC, 154 posts
8 Jul 2009 4:59PM
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Melbourne has Altona beach or St Kilda Beach as pretty good options.

AaronB
QLD, 50 posts
8 Jul 2009 5:23PM
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The market here is far too small to generate enough interests to make an event like this worthwhile. You are not going to attract many new comers to the event, and most, if not all existing kiters already know where to get gear from.

The industry here is far too messed up and a few big boys are trying to dominate and the market. Just too much biased approaches. Simply wont work. Punters will suss out what agendas you have behind your smiley faces in no time. The only way it will work is if it is organised by a totally non-industry based body such as AKSA. Saying that, reading all the crap on this forum I think most people in AKSA are linked to a shop and have their own agendas. As messed up as the industry.

Adrenalin Rush
QLD, 876 posts
8 Jul 2009 5:50PM
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AaronB said...

The market here is far too small to generate enough interests to make an event like this worthwhile. You are not going to attract many new comers to the event, and most, if not all existing kiters already know where to get gear from.




The market in Australia is real small compared to other countries, but I feel that the interest is there. Prime example is here on the forums, where everyone complains about pimps and biased gear reviews. Dont you think an event like this would help satisfy the people who simply want an honest opinion on a product before they part with their money.

The industry here is far too messed up and a few big boys are trying to dominate and the market. Just too much biased approaches. Simply wont work.


I think the industry needs something like this, to help sort the big boys out. At an open event like this, direct comparisons can be made between opposing brands, and customers would be able to make their own judgement. They would then take this knowledge back to their retailer and request the brand they actually want, instead of being told what to ride... The retailer would gain from this event ( if they listen to their customer) and may open new oportunities for them that they didnt realise.

The only way it will work is if it is organised by a totally non-industry based body such as AKSA.


This wouldnt be a Best expo, nor a Cabrinha expo etc, it would be an open invitation to all brands interested to have equal share of representation, and would be the responsibility of the consumer to try all brands, not just the brand they favour.

Im sure it would solve the problems you have stated, cause it cant be more black and white then that.

AKSA
NSW, 46 posts
8 Jul 2009 6:25PM
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AaronB said...
a totally non-industry based body such as AKSA. Saying that, reading all the crap on this forum I think most people in AKSA are linked to a shop and have their own agendas.


This is the problem that results when mud is flung - esp when the mud is already garbage. It changes shape & form when it hits but it still sticks & it still stinks. Though the resulting smell may not relate, in any way, to the original matter.
Not having a go at you here AaronB but just to point out to everyone who may have received mixed messages......
The FACT is that AKSA is now controlled by a board which is made up of one rep from each state KSA. Not one of those reps has any links to any shop or brand or school. Absolutely NONE.
Another FACT is that NONE of these reps has any agendas of their own other than furthering the sport/hobby of kiting in their own free time. Absolutely NONE.

OK we may not have scored too many goals in our first year of the new set-up but its hard to sprint when you are dragging thru mud.
Despite this things are changing.
Hopefully you will soon see some movement forward from an AKSA which is beginning to realize that it just has to block its nose & learn how to run in gum boots.
Kiting will prevail.

Smedg
NSW, 836 posts
8 Jul 2009 6:52PM
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GreenPat said...

getfunky said...

Tops idea. At least that way you can compare apples with apples in the same conditions.


Apples are good, nutritious and delicious.


I agree GreenPat. Great tasting and great for you.


PS make it happen. I'll be there. Maybe consider Kites, boards, accessories and a wide range of locally grown juicy organic apples. Just putting it out there.

Rhys McClintock
NSW, 995 posts
8 Jul 2009 7:05PM
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I think the QLD spot is gonna be hard to pick...

You could go Brighton - but lots of people hate it there... Yuck water, no beach and no waves

You could go on the Gold Coast - But the guys from the Sunny coast might not drive. Also the only locations suitable for this kind of even are in the waves - which means the learners and wake riders won't come...

Or you could go Sunny Coast, and suffer the same difficulties from the Gold Coast riders...

That being said - I think the Brisbane Expo would be pretty big - we've got like 10 kite shops within a 3 hour radius... Add the cheap guys selling from their Vans and it's more like 15!

Matt Snowdon
NSW, 105 posts
8 Jul 2009 7:20PM
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Not wanting to rain on the parade here, however we already have 2 events identical to the concept idea - Kitestock and Mambo.

So maybe only need to have one further up the coast somewhere in Qld?

AaronB
QLD, 50 posts
8 Jul 2009 10:38PM
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Does that include your cheap big brother in Perth who also sell off his van Rhys? [}:)]

Rhys Porter said...

I think the QLD spot is gonna be hard to pick...

You could go Brighton - but lots of people hate it there... Yuck water, no beach and no waves

You could go on the Gold Coast - But the guys from the Sunny coast might not drive. Also the only locations suitable for this kind of even are in the waves - which means the learners and wake riders won't come...

Or you could go Sunny Coast, and suffer the same difficulties from the Gold Coast riders...

That being said - I think the Brisbane Expo would be pretty big - we've got like 10 kite shops within a 3 hour radius... Add the cheap guys selling from their Vans and it's more like 15!


AaronB
QLD, 50 posts
8 Jul 2009 10:44PM
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Like yourself, you are the Best importer. Try and explain why you would want to sell any other brands more than your imported brands? Are you not in business to make money? Tell me no, and I'll tell you you should not be in business. All the crap about people from the industry all saying they are not doing it for money. Who are you all trying to kid?


arsa said...

AaronB said...

The market here is far too small to generate enough interests to make an event like this worthwhile. You are not going to attract many new comers to the event, and most, if not all existing kiters already know where to get gear from.




The market in Australia is real small compared to other countries, but I feel that the interest is there. Prime example is here on the forums, where everyone complains about pimps and biased gear reviews. Dont you think an event like this would help satisfy the people who simply want an honest opinion on a product before they part with their money.

The industry here is far too messed up and a few big boys are trying to dominate and the market. Just too much biased approaches. Simply wont work.


I think the industry needs something like this, to help sort the big boys out. At an open event like this, direct comparisons can be made between opposing brands, and customers would be able to make their own judgement. They would then take this knowledge back to their retailer and request the brand they actually want, instead of being told what to ride... The retailer would gain from this event ( if they listen to their customer) and may open new oportunities for them that they didnt realise.

The only way it will work is if it is organised by a totally non-industry based body such as AKSA.


This wouldnt be a Best expo, nor a Cabrinha expo etc, it would be an open invitation to all brands interested to have equal share of representation, and would be the responsibility of the consumer to try all brands, not just the brand they favour.

Im sure it would solve the problems you have stated, cause it cant be more black and white then that.


AaronB
QLD, 50 posts
8 Jul 2009 11:06PM
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There have been moments when I thought AKSA were really becoming a proper organisation. I do sincerely hope they are too for the sake of Australian kiteboarding. However I have yet to see that happening. Are any board members still on the salary and are all meeting minutes posted at the website? I just looked and Mike Walker is the CEO. Doesnt Mike runs a kite school/shop on the Sunshine Coast, and was he not the AKSA President at one time and getting paid too? Last financial report posted is dated 2007. Where are the 2008 reports? You should have completed 2009 ones by now too. Not trying to talk down on the association, but with all other issues other people have brought out on this forum, there still seems to be lots of hidden agendas around.


AKSA said...

AaronB said...
a totally non-industry based body such as AKSA. Saying that, reading all the crap on this forum I think most people in AKSA are linked to a shop and have their own agendas.


This is the problem that results when mud is flung - esp when the mud is already garbage. It changes shape & form when it hits but it still sticks & it still stinks. Though the resulting smell may not relate, in any way, to the original matter.
Not having a go at you here AaronB but just to point out to everyone who may have received mixed messages......
The FACT is that AKSA is now controlled by a board which is made up of one rep from each state KSA. Not one of those reps has any links to any shop or brand or school. Absolutely NONE.
Another FACT is that NONE of these reps has any agendas of their own other than furthering the sport/hobby of kiting in their own free time. Absolutely NONE.

OK we may not have scored too many goals in our first year of the new set-up but its hard to sprint when you are dragging thru mud.
Despite this things are changing.
Hopefully you will soon see some movement forward from an AKSA which is beginning to realize that it just has to block its nose & learn how to run in gum boots.
Kiting will prevail.


Adrenalin Rush
QLD, 876 posts
8 Jul 2009 11:52PM
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Like yourself, you are the Best importer. Try and explain why you would want to sell any other brands more than your imported brands? Are you not in business to make money? Tell me no, and I'll tell you you should not be in business. All the crap about people from the industry all saying they are not doing it for money. Who are you all trying to kid?



Well trust me buddy, if you are in the business of selling kites to make money then good luck. Im not kidding anyone. I am in business to provide for my family and have a stab at something Im interested in. I sometimes enjoy going to work. We sell 5 major brands through the store, Best being 1 of them. These selcted brands are brands that we believe to be fit to sell to our customers. This list of brands changes year to year based on who brings out good gear or not.

However, im confused to see how this matters on the topic being discussed. I have not opened a discussion to be biased to any one brand, its the absolute opposite. I see my job as a kite store owner, to seek out the best products in the industry, and make them available to my customers. This type of expo would allow both Retailers and consumers this oportunity.

Im not sure what probs you have with me or other retailers, but this is not a way to maximise my brand, or is it a stunt to make money, just thought it would be an event that would be appreciated.

lostinlondon
VIC, 1159 posts
9 Jul 2009 7:25AM
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Kite Mag said...

Melbourne has Altona beach or St Kilda Beach as pretty good options.



I dunno about Altona beach... there isn't a lot of clean set up area, and you have to drive to get there. I reckon St Kilda would be great. The amount of space at Kitebeach is awesome, and stalls could be lined up along the sea wall where the schools set up.

I guess the problem will always be runnng an event like this impacts on people's ability to access the beach for that day, and there is always a chance the seabreeze doesn't kick in. Couldn't the Melbourne show be tied in with the Nationals? Most expos like these are run at the start of the season so you can get the latest gear in time for the whole summer. You have to hook people in and get them excited and thats when they open their wallets. Its like the equipment stalls they run after the Warren Miller films. Everyone comes out all pumped up after watching this rad snow action and they have this burning desire to buy new snowboards...

Morg
QLD, 129 posts
9 Jul 2009 9:51AM
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Hold the Qld one at Elliott Heads. It was good enough for the Nationals. Plenty of cheap accomodation and camping and an easier drive for people coming from further north like Gladstone, Mackay and Townsville.



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