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Are kite surfing lessons necessary.

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Created by Fetseun > 9 months ago, 13 Feb 2016
Fetseun
WA, 15 posts
13 Feb 2016 9:09PM
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So I may be opening a can of worms here. But caution thrown to the wind.

I'm complete newbie kite surfing and lessons seem to be expected, but I'm not keen on investing in lessons until I know it's for me.

Now it's not arrogance - to what is obviously a very involved sport and takes control and skills.

But I've always been self taught and enjoy the process of learning a new skill. And I don't want to commit $480 to a course that I might never follow up again.

So my question isn't whether getting instruction is worth it. Because I'm sure it is.

But I want to get a second hand rig and give it a try and see how I go. Is that reckless or is kite surfing like any other sport and just takes time and effort to improve.

How did most of you start? Mates, instruction or did you just get a rig and give it a try.

timmybuddhadude
WA, 862 posts
13 Feb 2016 9:15PM
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Yes necessary
Its complicated...different sizes difderent wind scales amd.directions
One story..
Bought own rigs second hand three sizes five yr old kites
Nearly died getting towed into a jetty wall
Had two hours lessons italian instr..i taught him scuba he taught me K.no money involved just am exchange bytheway
Never really learnt anything until years later surrounding myself with a lot of kiters as I learnt remotely....and still.learning as we all are forever
Yes to buying second hand as u u will smash or.loose them anyway
Yes to three hours lessons
Yes to a taster lesson much like a 'discover scuba'
U can die from.this...its an.independant sport not like compulsory buddy up type scuba at 30m

GO DO A TASTER SESSION if u r not sure...dont do it on yr own whatever u do

James
WA, 549 posts
13 Feb 2016 9:25PM
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Its been said " A self taught man had a fool for a teacher " Too true for this sport . I learnt with a video tape 14 - 15 years ago . Lots of close calls , not recommended. Its your arse though, might involve somebody else's and that could be costly . Good luck either way , the lessons are worth the money , I reckon . J

farNT
QLD, 89 posts
13 Feb 2016 11:50PM
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A big can of worms at that...as the other lads said highly recommended because once u have a crack u will b hooked like the rest of us .. I taught myself because I was living remotely and there was no one within 1000 km that did lessons ..but I did watch hours of utube how to clips and bought the beginners how to vid ..if u decide to go this way make sure u find a massive beach with no one within coo wee that u could hurt.. Start by going down on low wind days and practicing setting up with someone to give u a hand to launch and land get to know where in the window the power is and body drag ,self rescue ,use ur quick release ..as everyone says it's not recommended but it can b done...watch a few kite mares as these r mostly experienced kiters and they will give u an idea of things that can go wrong ...its ur neck
Good luck ..

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
13 Feb 2016 9:51PM
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With a respected teacher,yes
Not with one , no

Bronnieren
WA, 89 posts
13 Feb 2016 10:09PM
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Lessons are definitely worth it! :) This is a dangerous sport if you dont know what you are doing. Think of all the money you will save in medical/physio bills, destroyed gear, lawsuits, and lost income. Get lessons from qualified instructors that teach and assess you in practical self-rescue, rehearsal of safety system use, upwind body dragging, board retrieval, and other essential skills such as how to assess conditions and identify and avoid hazards. If you don't get trained properly, you will endanger yourself and other kiters/beach users. If you are going to just get a kite and try to figure it out for yourself, please let us know where and when, so we can avoid getting taken out by you when you discover the power zone by accident and how not to fly a kite :) I am a brand newbie and spent lots on lessons (had a bout 6 in total), but they have been very worthwhile :) Please get lessons :)

mywisdom
WA, 258 posts
13 Feb 2016 10:12PM
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Fetseun said..
So I may be opening a can of worms here. But caution thrown to the wind.

I'm complete newbie kite surfing and lessons seem to be expected, but I'm not keen on investing in lessons until I know it's for me.

Now it's not arrogance - to what is obviously a very involved sport and takes control and skills.

But I've always been self taught and enjoy the process of learning a new skill. And I don't want to commit $480 to a course that I might never follow up again.

So my question isn't whether getting instruction is worth it. Because I'm sure it is.

But I want to get a second hand rig and give it a try and see how I go. Is that reckless or is kite surfing like any other sport and just takes time and effort to improve.

How did most of you start? Mates, instruction or did you just get a rig and give it a try.


to pay for lessons vs being taught by a competent patient mate is one thing.. but you are suggesting trying it with neither and I honestly believe this is an absolutely horrible decision as you are not only putting yourself in danger but other innocent people on the beach. There are just far to many variables to ever be able to effectively and safely teach yourself from videos.

Underoath
QLD, 2433 posts
14 Feb 2016 12:20AM
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Very experienced people die from kiting.

It's not a safe sport.

JacobMatan
WA, 431 posts
13 Feb 2016 10:41PM
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First get a trainer kite and use that as much as you can and watch as many instructional videos as you can, this will mean you will save some time in your lessons and get more out of the lessons you do take.

do NOT get a a full sized kite ( bigger than 5m2) and go fly it on your own with no qualified supervision/instruction this could be a fatal decision

boardtoloop
10 posts
13 Feb 2016 10:47PM
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To quote my friend "In kiting **** happens." Basically, your trying to operate the controls of a ski boat on the end of 80ft of string. Works good when the strings are under tension but lack of kite flying skills and vagaries of wind mean those lines are going to get tangled, possibly around some part of you. Combine this with the fact that a tangled kite tends to default go to developing a huge amount of power and you will see why learning this sport on your own is such a dangerous idea.

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
13 Feb 2016 11:13PM
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But I've always been self taught and enjoy the process of learning a new skill.

But I want to get a second hand rig and give it a try and see how I go. Is that reckless or is kite surfing like any other sport and just takes time and effort to improve.
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To get a decent kit it's going to cost you about 1k. Kite board harness.

Spend 2/10ths of that on 1 quality lesson with a really good instructor. He/she can tailor your lesson to get you safe. You will be safe, other people will be safe and you will be much less likely to destroy your kit. Once you are safe and have an idea of how to use your gear, we are all self taught.

Where do you live.

to get a quality lesson:

Pay for it, dont go cheap....
Ask on good instructors in your area. Seabreezers will generally PM you on quality and what to keep clear of.
Your instructor should be local/english as a first language. Teach you in steady winds between 15-20knots.
You will learn more in 2-3 hours than trying to discover it for yourself than you will in 3-4 months.
I dont know your sports background but it is an incredibly easy sport to learn. Doing it the right way it is possible to learn your first jump, and backroll attempts within 3 months.

Whatever you decide. KEEP 60-80m clear of any obstacles, people,,,,etc....blah, blah. Mate just get a lesson and decide for yourself.

Freddofrog
WA, 522 posts
13 Feb 2016 11:23PM
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There are some sports that are just too risky to teach yourself, kiting being one of them.

You really do need someone to show you, be it a qualified instructor or competent friend.

To try and teach yourself using say DVDs and YouTube is definitely going to end badly.

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
13 Feb 2016 11:39PM
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Freddofrog said..
There are some sports that are just too risky to teach yourself, kiting being one of them.

You really do need someone to show you, be it a qualified instructor or competent friend.

To try and teach yourself using say DVDs and YouTube is definitely going to end badly.



Competent friends cant teach and usually scare the crap out of you..... NOT recommended.

Hardcarve1
QLD, 550 posts
14 Feb 2016 3:25AM
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Their should probably be more discussion on how to choose an instructor and what to look for to get quality instruction. In my local area I don't see too many that I would feel comfortable in using but I must admit it's more about their attitude on the beach that I base this on. Starting 16 years ago I was self taught but you had to back then but even in those days I was well aware of the dangers and managed to stay safe. Having taught people when kite schools were just not around I think we did a OK job but I think structured teaching as they do now with better equipment means you just don't need to do it yourself and with so many people on the water these days you can become a real danger to others and get in the way. So I would recommend lesson are mandatory these days and unless your in a remote location the days of self taught are over.
My advice on picking an instructor would be to talk to a few and the ones that focus on safety, who have a structured way of explaining the teaching process and that are confidant and calm would be my pick. If you hear them talk about how quickly they get you on the board or you get that rushed feeling then maybe not. Look at the equipment to like radio communications and quality in the kites.

Plummet
4862 posts
14 Feb 2016 2:05AM
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The ultimate answer is no. They are not necessary. Most of us here who have been kiting for 10 years plus didn't have lessons. Hell lessons weren't available.

So it is possible to self teach.

But it will be more dangerous to yourself and others.
Plus it will take you A LOT longer to learn.

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
14 Feb 2016 2:17AM
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An off the wall example. Qualified phys ed teacher, got to level 2 IKO.. My daughter 9 years old wanted to learn a backflip. 3 months of nagging.
I cant do a backflip/back spring etc. I cant teach it.

She learnt a difficult move in one day. through an experienced coach

tarakiter
15 posts
14 Feb 2016 5:09AM
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I always advise others to get lessons. I learned the hard way and had many near misses, broken gear and came very close to chucking in the towel as many other self-taught potential kiters have done. Flying a kite is easy, but tuition trains you how to handle situations when the **** hits the fan, because one day it will.

kemp90
QLD, 1694 posts
14 Feb 2016 8:31AM
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No you don't need leesons, but it comes at a price.

I tought myself, and proud of it. But I was lucky that all that happened was I got dragged up the beach and into a tree. Lucky it was an isolated spot otherwise I could have taken out everyone in my parth.

I don't suggest teaching your self, but you can do it. Just make sure there is no one else on the beach, so your the only one that gets ****ed up, because you will get ****ed up!

stabber
NSW, 1114 posts
14 Feb 2016 10:44AM
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A moron and his health are soon departed.

Smithy
VIC, 859 posts
14 Feb 2016 10:44AM
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No you don't need lessons but in this day and age you would be stupid not to have some.

This is a dangerous sport, If you look on the forum you will see that a Kiter tragically died in Brisbane only this week, keep looking and you will see other examples of experienced kiters who have had serious life changing accidents, search the Internet for "nics sore head" and you will find a blog from the family of a guy who had an accident at Altona in 2012 who now has a mental disability and is still being rehabilitated. An experienced guy at my local, Laurie, had an horrific accident which took 5 years before he returned to work, he has permanent physical and mental issues..... Everybody knows somebody...

This is is a great sport, for your own safety, the safety of others and to stop further restrictions being placed on our sport, have some good lessons..

keitho
QLD, 79 posts
14 Feb 2016 9:49AM
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That's the thing too many are trying to teach themselves and coming unstuck this sport is under scrutiny already take a few lessons to handl the kite well, and learn the safety aspect of it all, board skills you can pick up yourself just take a few lessons won't break the bank but could save medical bills

Loftywinds
QLD, 2060 posts
14 Feb 2016 10:36AM
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Fetseun said..
So I may be opening a can of worms here. But caution thrown to the wind.

I'm complete newbie kite surfing and lessons seem to be expected, but I'm not keen on investing in lessons until I know it's for me.

Now it's not arrogance - to what is obviously a very involved sport and takes control and skills.

But I've always been self taught and enjoy the process of learning a new skill. And I don't want to commit $480 to a course that I might never follow up again.

So my question isn't whether getting instruction is worth it. Because I'm sure it is.

But I want to get a second hand rig and give it a try and see how I go. Is that reckless or is kite surfing like any other sport and just takes time and effort to improve.

How did most of you start? Mates, instruction or did you just get a rig and give it a try.


No. You do not need lessons. Ideally yes, but not necessary. However, you need a mature enough and respectable attitude to want to learn the sport fair-dinkum! If you're out there with your mates ****ing around, throwing kites all over the place and not giving a **** about the general public let alone your own safety - then YES - lessons are mandatory for those ****wits!

Loftywinds
QLD, 2060 posts
14 Feb 2016 10:38AM
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Plummet said..
The ultimate answer is no. They are not necessary. Most of us here who have been kiting for 10 years plus didn't have lessons. Hell lessons weren't available.

So it is possible to self teach.

But it will be more dangerous to yourself and others.
Plus it will take you A LOT longer to learn.


Exactly my point

bjw
QLD, 3686 posts
14 Feb 2016 10:46AM
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If you are going to self teach get one of those beginners videos. They help alot.

You still probably need someone to show you how to set it up and some basics.

JoeMc
WA, 97 posts
14 Feb 2016 8:53AM
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Get lessons unless you are Robinson Crusoe and your stuck on a deserted island.

jackforbes
WA, 530 posts
14 Feb 2016 10:01AM
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It's faster and safer to have lessons rather than teach yourself. Go down to any beginners beach and objectively watch the people who are teaching themselves or learning with mates compared with those getting instruction. You'll learn more in a week of kiting instruction than you will in a month of self-teaching. So when thinking about paying for lessons, factor in what your time is worth.

Second, if you teach yourself or learn from a mate, you almost certainly won't have the right gear to learn on. You either have to buy gear that you aren't going to use for very long, or you will be trying to learn on equipment that isn't suitable. Think of learning to drive on a ****ty Kingswood ute which doesn't quite sync in first or a turbo HSV- you can do it, but the driving instructor's excel is probably a better place to start. If you buy the gear that you are going to use, you will potentially trash your new investment. with lessons, you are not only paying for the instructors expertise but also the use of their equipment (and the risk of trashing it), and if you do hurt yourself or someone else then you aren't going to be footing a liability suit.

once you factor in your time and the equipment costs, the lessons aren't that expensive. kiting is not a cheap sport, and if you can't afford the lessons then it might be worth considering putting it on hold, as safe modern kiting gear is going to cost you at least twice what the lessons would. As the red hot chilli peppers would say, 'go back to the valley man'.

As some of the other posters have noted, back in the day we learnt without lessons, because you couldn't get any. But pretty much everybody copped a beat down. If you learnt to kite on a 2 line it was a punishing experience. Things are safer now and you can potentially teach yourself, but you might spend a season getting to the same level as somebody else who has got lessons and got the right gear.

eppo
WA, 9688 posts
14 Feb 2016 10:29AM
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Not sure why jack got a red thumb above he's spot on...we did take a 'Beat down'.

Got a question back at you mr lesson man, or troll (who knows on this forum)...

'are you already a competent waterman? Are you fit? Could you swim a kilometre or two in the ocean? Do you have decent motor sensory skills?

or are you a soft cocked suburban unfit pedestrian middle aged wannabe?

becuase this sport, even with all lessons and the incredible kites we have now...does kill and mame.

but too many are just not getting that fact. sometimes I look around and think I'm at a lawn bowls meet!

lessons can be justified purely on economics. Sure try yourself, but you will stuff ya kite/gear up in no time.

Stuff theirs up first as you learn, as theirs is tax deductible, yours Isn't.

And if you do 'use' a friend for godd sake make sure they are highly competent. The amount of people I see teaching others who are just beyond kook (and that's debatable) themselves, sends shivers down my spine.

with lessons you are leveraging experience, sometimes years of experience. Yu need to pay for that In any pursuit.

Or or just join the ranks or increasingly horrible kiters out there, with no water sense and little chance of surviving when trouble comes (and that is inevitable not a maybe)... damn the standard is piss poor.

4XL
VIC, 222 posts
14 Feb 2016 3:06PM
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Poor equipment choices combined with no kite flying or accredited lessons . . . Great choice as u will be the one frustrated or worse hurt through these poor choices. Good for me one less idiot at my spot.
When advising people's on taking up the sport I always mention do you like the ocean. That said I highlight that sh.... does happen and getting accredited lessons, good gear choices and not being scared of floating around retrieving lines make this sport fantastic. . . .I think the advice is clear . . . . .no one at my spot again . . . Great day for boosting and trying to back roll

RPM
WA, 1549 posts
14 Feb 2016 12:17PM
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Fetseun said...
So I may be opening a can of worms here. But caution thrown to the wind.

I'm complete newbie kite surfing and lessons seem to be expected, but I'm not keen on investing in lessons until I know it's for me.

Now it's not arrogance - to what is obviously a very involved sport and takes control and skills.

But I've always been self taught and enjoy the process of learning a new skill. And I don't want to commit $480 to a course that I might never follow up again.

So my question isn't whether getting instruction is worth it. Because I'm sure it is.

But I want to get a second hand rig and give it a try and see how I go. Is that reckless or is kite surfing like any other sport and just takes time and effort to improve.

How did most of you start? Mates, instruction or did you just get a rig and give it a try.


You don't need to come on here looking for confirmation of your already stupid ideas...
If we didn't have internet what would your commonsense tell you to do..
That's right, buy some gear, grow a set and get out there...

I'm sure the Internet is restricting the abilities of people these days.
How do you think the old timers of 1860's did when they were looking for gold in NW Australia.. Oh I'll think I'll just pop on the Internet... Ummm Noooooooo. They got out there, pushed a wheelbarrow around with their possessions and did the hard yards and went discovering..

Hope the above inspires you to make the right decision

Gorgo
VIC, 5098 posts
14 Feb 2016 3:19PM
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There's two huge advantages to lessons:
1. You learn to avoid the most obvious ways to kill yourself and others.
2. You get to destroy somebody else's gear in the process.

Realistically you don't learn to kiteboard in lessons. Kiteboarding is a skill sport and the only way to acquire skills is to practice, lots. Nobody is going to pay a school for all the hours of practice you need to learn the muscle memory from scratch.

Still, it's better to start off aware of the dangers and have some idea of how to start off.

RAL INN
SA, 2895 posts
14 Feb 2016 2:55PM
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Taught myself with the help of lots of Phone calls. (thanks Matt)
did a IKO course. So others in my area wouldn't have to go through what I did.

first thing I noticed was that 3 hrs of lessons equalled 6 months of DIY.

So do you want to be a kiter in 3 or so hours or 6 or so months?

now what is a competent Kitesurfing instructor????

There are now a multitude of Kiters who have done an IKO course but finding one that truely understands the learning process and how to adapt that to an individuals unique skill set, in order to make them a safe and proficient member of the kiting Community. That is the hard bit.



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