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Another kite shop bites the dust

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Created by Loftywinds > 9 months ago, 1 May 2015
Loftywinds
QLD, 2060 posts
1 May 2015 1:28PM
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Sad but true!

www.facebook.com/KitepowerQLD

www.kitepower.com.au/

It's very, very tough out there to get into this industry. I just hope Briskites survives.

hargs
QLD, 634 posts
1 May 2015 2:07PM
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People really need to stop and think before buying stuff online from overseas for the sake of saving a few bucks & get out there and support their local store.

Ercorn
QLD, 199 posts
1 May 2015 2:37PM
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No they don't have to stop and think.

My money goes to the person with the best price, if the service is good I return.


surfingboye
NSW, 2707 posts
1 May 2015 3:21PM
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Ercorn said..
No they don't have to stop and think.

My money goes to the person with the best price, if the service is good I return.



Its not all about price!

Will that overseas online store:
- be their on the Friday afternoon when you need spares to get yourself on the water for the weekend?
- support the local juniors, thus growing the sport, through discounts and team rider programs?
- give back anything at all to the local (or national!) kiting community?

After-all, I'm sure whatever you do for a living could be done much cheaper with overseas workers...
Would you be willing to lose your job to skilled imported workers?

79Boarder
NSW, 93 posts
1 May 2015 3:32PM
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surfingboye said..

Ercorn said..
No they don't have to stop and think.

My money goes to the person with the best price, if the service is good I return.




Its not all about price!

Will that overseas online store:
- be their on the Friday afternoon when you need spares to get yourself on the water for the weekend?
- support the local juniors, thus growing the sport, through discounts and team rider programs?
- give back anything at all to the local (or national!) kiting community?

After-all, I'm sure whatever you do for a living could be done much cheaper with overseas workers...
Would you be willing to lose your job to skilled imported workers?



+1

ashkiter
QLD, 431 posts
1 May 2015 3:40PM
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Loftywinds said..
Sad but true!

www.facebook.com/KitepowerQLD

www.kitepower.com.au/

It's very, very tough out there to get into this industry. I just hope Briskites survives.


Website still active - facebook still active ????

1 May 2015 3:54PM
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Just to clarify for everyone. It is Kitepower QLD which is unfortunately closing its doors in Brisbane.

Kitepower Australia which is based in Sydney and operates www.kitepower.com.au is still going strong after 22 years and open 7days

shi thouse
WA, 1151 posts
1 May 2015 3:08PM
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Kitepower Australia said..
Just to clarify for everyone. It is Kitepower QLD which is unfortunately closing its doors in Brisbane.

Kitepower Australia which is based in Sydney and operates www.kitepower.com.au is still going strong after 22 years and open 7days


I'm pleased about that, because you guys offer good service even to us on the west coast.

...yeah I know, I shop out of my immediate vicinity and buy stuff from the east coast mexicans, but hey good service and products...

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
1 May 2015 6:09PM
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hargs said...
People really need to stop and think before buying stuff online from overseas for the sake of saving a few bucks & get out there and support their local store.

Wait, waht? Are you saying that they only people who should be buying gear online should be the people who could otherwise get off the sofa and drive in to the local store?

Ercorn
QLD, 199 posts
1 May 2015 6:55PM
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It is all about price for me.

the only things I have purchased overseas were kite lines for Wainman which were significantly cheaper than the dudes in Victoria. I will purchase overseas again if I discover that prices are overly inflated in Oz. i work hard for my money and will purchase where I get the best value, as is my right.

in saying all that Ethan at KP Brisbane has always delivered excellent service, answered my queries straight away, put up with my silly emails and delivered my goods quicker than ever, therefore, I was dispapointed when I received the email that KP Brisbane is closing down.


sir ROWDY
WA, 5366 posts
1 May 2015 5:25PM
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I will purchase overseas again if I discover that prices are overly inflated in Oz. i work hard for my money and will purchase where I get the best value, as is my right.



You would be surprised if you saw margins on a lot of gear. Most the time gear isn't overly-inflated in AUS shops, it's just the fact that it has to pass through more hands that the prices goes up, combined with the fact that US shops operate on ridiculously slim margins compared with Australian distributors (they can afford to because they mostly do far higher turnover).

The skate industry (retailers) had a massive hit when the Australian dollar was high, kids would buy overseas for almost half the price it was in the local shop due to the shops having to pay overheads, import duties/ taxes etc. Now the Australian dollar is dropping again and kids are returning to the stores, sadly for some shops it's already too late and they closed up. Retail is a vicious cycle, you really have to be on-top of things and have some decent luck to stay ahead.

I wish the boys from Kitepower QLD all the best in whatever they do next.

kkiter
NSW, 452 posts
1 May 2015 7:27PM
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Sad news. Good luck John!

horey69
QLD, 500 posts
1 May 2015 7:58PM
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Well said surfingboye and Rowdy, kite power qld has been part of my local community since its inception. The hole it leaves for the locals will be hard to fill, KP qld was not only a shop it was a whole lot more, mate ship, great camping trips, friendly advice a staple on the local beaches. I was more than happy to spend my money there.

Highjump
9 posts
1 May 2015 6:14PM
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There's nothing worse when someone purchases something oversea's, whether it be to do with kiting products, or other things in general, and goes to another shop and expects them to do something with it.

Out of good faith, some shops will honour this, and go above and beyond to help out, though majority will tell you to go back to the person who supplied the item. I personally will never buy from someone over sea's, and always a local shop for this reason. If you have problems with the item, your not trying to send emails to get a response, you can go into the shop and someone will help 9/10 times. of course there is that 1/10 that will stuff you around though it's just a lesson to not buy from them in the future.

When you spend that extra few $ you are buying customer service, from a local person, and someone who will help you out with the warranty should things go wrong.

Brisbane's Kite Power store closing up is unfortunate, though that's business. Luckily enough for the kiters, and other product purchasers there is still a shop that they are able to get in contact with.

Australia has local shops within your community which will provide service that the shops on the internet wont should things go wrong. If you continue to buy from the local's they soon get to know you, and are able to help out by giving discounts to repetitive customers, customer service when it comes to warranty, and general advice when needed.

Spend the extra few $, Get the advice from the locals, and make some good friends while at it, at your local shop.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
1 May 2015 8:19PM
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Highjump said..
There's nothing worse when someone purchases something oversea's, whether it be to do with kiting products, or other things in general, and goes to another shop and expects them to do something with it.

Out of good faith, some shops will honour this, and go above and beyond to help out, though majority will tell you to go back to the person who supplied the item. I personally will never buy from someone over sea's, and always a local shop for this reason. If you have problems with the item, your not trying to send emails to get a response, you can go into the shop and someone will help 9/10 times. of course there is that 1/10 that will stuff you around though it's just a lesson to not buy from them in the future.

When you spend that extra few $ you are buying customer service, from a local person, and someone who will help you out with the warranty should things go wrong.

Brisbane's Kite Power store closing up is unfortunate, though that's business. Luckily enough for the kiters, and other product purchasers there is still a shop that they are able to get in contact with.

Australia has local shops within your community which will provide service that the shops on the internet wont should things go wrong. If you continue to buy from the local's they soon get to know you, and are able to help out by giving discounts to repetitive customers, customer service when it comes to warranty, and general advice when needed.

Spend the extra few $, Get the advice from the locals, and make some good friends while at it, at your local shop.


So if you buy a Toyota in Sydney and it breaks down in Melborne, you are ok with M. dealers not servicing the vehicle?

Highjump
9 posts
1 May 2015 6:24PM
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Sorry, Kamikuza,

I'm not too sure if you read what I wrote, though if you read the first line it says "oversea's"

Thanks

sir ROWDY
WA, 5366 posts
1 May 2015 8:23PM
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Highjump said..
Sorry, Kamikuza,

I'm not too sure if you read what I wrote, though if you read the first line it says "oversea's"

Thanks


Oversea is what?

Chris_M
2132 posts
1 May 2015 8:55PM
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Over sea is

flyingcab
VIC, 942 posts
1 May 2015 11:00PM
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Chris_M said..
Over sea is


overseas

Peahi
VIC, 1481 posts
1 May 2015 11:15PM
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shi thouse said..
Kitepower Australia said..
Just to clarify for everyone. It is Kitepower QLD which is unfortunately closing its doors in Brisbane.

Kitepower Australia which is based in Sydney and operates www.kitepower.com.au is still going strong after 22 years and open 7days


I'm pleased about that, because you guys offer good service even to us on the west coast.

...yeah I know, I shop out of my immediate vicinity and buy stuff from the east coast mexicans, but hey good service and products...


+1 from this vicco.

Freddofrog
WA, 522 posts
2 May 2015 1:43AM
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sir ROWDY said..

The skate industry (retailers) had a massive hit when the Australian dollar was high, kids would buy overseas for almost half the price it was in the local shop due to the shops having to pay overheads, import duties/ taxes etc. Now the Australian dollar is dropping again and kids are returning to the stores, sadly for some shops it's already too late and they closed up. Retail is a vicious cycle, you really have to be on-top of things and have some decent luck to stay ahead.



The retailers could have chosen to pass on increased margins when the dollar was high, but most just pocketed the increase. Happens everywhere.

Now the dollar is weak, they will hike up prices to maintain their margins. No wonder people get fed up and shop overseas.

Its sad to see any local shop close but for better or worse, the global marketplace is here to stay.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5366 posts
2 May 2015 3:32AM
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Freddofrog said..


sir ROWDY said..

The skate industry (retailers) had a massive hit when the Australian dollar was high, kids would buy overseas for almost half the price it was in the local shop due to the shops having to pay overheads, import duties/ taxes etc. Now the Australian dollar is dropping again and kids are returning to the stores, sadly for some shops it's already too late and they closed up. Retail is a vicious cycle, you really have to be on-top of things and have some decent luck to stay ahead.




The retailers could have chosen to pass on increased margins when the dollar was high, but most just pocketed the increase. Happens everywhere.

Now the dollar is weak, they will hike up prices to maintain their margins. No wonder people get fed up and shop overseas.

Its sad to see any local shop close but for better or worse, the global marketplace is here to stay.



Wrong. Hate to say it but you obviously have never worked in retail (well at least not skate retail that's for sure).

Most shops don't work like you ellude to because they buy from a distributor not direct from the US, thus prices will only fluctuate marginally. For example a $110 dollar deck (RRP) would end up being $100 (RRP) dollars when the exchange rate was good, nothing close to the 50 or so dollars it could be bought for direct from US online stores. If retailers or distributors matched those prices (or even close) they would never make any money.

wishy
WA, 1501 posts
2 May 2015 3:35AM
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That was a good shop! Bugger.
I wonder what portion rent was of their costs.
It must be hard to pay the rent for a big, good location premises, particularly when the landlord compares anything to the rents paid by cash cows like JB hifi, rebel sport, supercheap auto, etc.

It seems that we are going the way of America, anything that isn't Walmart or Bunnings style gets eaten by these monsters.

Hopefully Aldi can smack up the supermarket duopoly in WA, prices are mental for food.

geordieboy
WA, 224 posts
2 May 2015 6:46AM
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wishy said..
That was a good shop! Bugger.
I wonder what portion rent was of their costs.
It must be hard to pay the rent for a big, good location premises, particularly when the landlord compares anything to the rents paid by cash cows like JB hifi, rebel sport, supercheap auto, etc.

It seems that we are going the way of America, anything that isn't Walmart or Bunnings style gets eaten by these monsters.

Hopefully Aldi can smack up the supermarket duopoly in WA, prices are mental for food.


What's black and yellow and full of Shiite
you got it an Aldie shopping bag Brings back memories loved the place

hargs
QLD, 634 posts
2 May 2015 10:58AM
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Kamikuza said..

hargs said...
People really need to stop and think before buying stuff online from overseas for the sake of saving a few bucks & get out there and support their local store.


Wait, waht? Are you saying that they only people who should be buying gear online should be the people who could otherwise get off the sofa and drive in to the local store?


No I'm saying that at the end of the day I'd prefer to support an Australian small business who offer good customer service rather than making an online purchase just to save a few bucks. I've dealt with the same store for my water sport needs for 20 years, and on the odd occasion I've had an issue with gear the service that I have received has been terrific, one phone call and problem sorted. I can't say the same for follow up customer service with my experience of online purchases when problems arise.

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
2 May 2015 11:17AM
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Most Businesses are not open to be not for profit organisations and have overheads to pay.
If you look around on the net you can get better prices ( sometimes ) but I like the touchy feely experience where I can be 1 on 1 with my purchase.
I also know first hand that you don't always get what you paid for..If bought from a local shop, and something isn't quite right,you take it back and talk to them and they will saught out your issues.
If everybody bought local we would still have car manufacturers in Australia and still have thousands of people still employed for them.( Governments fault )

Freddofrog
WA, 522 posts
2 May 2015 9:27AM
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sir ROWDY said..

Freddofrog said..



sir ROWDY said..

The skate industry (retailers) had a massive hit when the Australian dollar was high, kids would buy overseas for almost half the price it was in the local shop due to the shops having to pay overheads, import duties/ taxes etc. Now the Australian dollar is dropping again and kids are returning to the stores, sadly for some shops it's already too late and they closed up. Retail is a vicious cycle, you really have to be on-top of things and have some decent luck to stay ahead.





The retailers could have chosen to pass on increased margins when the dollar was high, but most just pocketed the increase. Happens everywhere.

Now the dollar is weak, they will hike up prices to maintain their margins. No wonder people get fed up and shop overseas.

Its sad to see any local shop close but for better or worse, the global marketplace is here to stay.




Wrong. Hate to say it but you obviously have never worked in retail (well at least not skate retail that's for sure).

Most shops don't work like you ellude to because they buy from a distributor not direct from the US, thus prices will only fluctuate marginally. For example a $110 dollar deck (RRP) would end up being $100 (RRP) dollars when the exchange rate was good, nothing close to the 50 or so dollars it could be bought for direct from US online stores. If retailers or distributors matched those prices (or even close) they would never make any money.


Problem is retail stores sell different value add products to online ones but don't realise not everyone wants them. Some buyers don't need the security of bricks and mortar storefront. They don't need after sales support, convenience shopping, supporting local sporting events etc. But retailers still insist on charging for it. So it's no wonder people go online where they arent forced to pay for the value add stuff they don't want.


Ercorn
QLD, 199 posts
2 May 2015 1:23PM
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Well said

clicks and mortar

Freddofrog
WA, 522 posts
2 May 2015 12:10PM
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fingerbone said..
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If everybody bought local we would still have car manufacturers in Australia and still have thousands of people still employed for them.( Governments fault )


Our fault not government. We the voters want decent minimum wages which drives up cost of manufacturing to the point it becomes internationally uncompetitive.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
2 May 2015 8:22PM
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Highjump said...
Sorry, Kamikuza,

I'm not too sure if you read what I wrote, though if you read the first line it says "oversea's"

Thanks

Ah, so local means "within Australia".

So what you've said is, you're buying products produced out of town, from companies based out of town, who ship it to your local representatives for that non-local product and brand. And you think they shouldn't service the brand they represent, if you didn't buy it "local".

Plummet
4862 posts
2 May 2015 6:48PM
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It's the harsh reality of business. Get with the times or fade away.





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