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Airline baggage fees, SAA

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Created by etiennePr > 9 months ago, 20 Oct 2010
etiennePr
WA, 8 posts
20 Oct 2010 11:01PM
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I am flying to South Africa soon, through SAA. Does anyone know the cost for taking a kite travel bag across? Is a 'golf'-kite bag worth the additional cost?

Thanks!

Ryland
WA, 1222 posts
21 Oct 2010 12:02AM
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i flew from perth to south africa, then to mauritius and same back home and had 3 surfboards and 3 kites plus a luggage bag and didnt get charged a cent. pretty sure your allowed 32kg's! i had it all( 3 kites and 3 boards) in a Dakine triple board bag and clothing in a small suitcase plus a heap of other stuff. came in exact weight, actually maybe i was over slightly but didnt get charged at all- oh and Castle beer- they have it on the flight is damn good!

EW
QLD, 10 posts
21 Oct 2010 8:24AM
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I fly back every year and usually find it works well if pack kite gear with wetsuits etc to 23kgs and cram my clothes into hand luggage, as they don't usually weigh that. Certainly when leaving S/Africa they will be pretty flexy if you just mention sports equipment and say the word fragile, things seem to get treated differently and you get extra 10kgs? Just when leaving Aus can be tricky at check in.

You probably won't like the sound of this as I know we do all grow to love our own kite gear, but I actually just rented gear when I went last. In Durban and Cape Town there are so many good kite shops that do gear rental and you get to try the latest kites, boards etc. Then you can pick and choose right kites size each day, they will even pump it for you on the beach and run lines out. You will just need to put your Castle lager down, give the thumbs up and walk into water. Think it cost me about $30 per day but absolutely worth it as I wasn't paying for days we were not in the water. You will save it all back on cheap beer!

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
21 Oct 2010 12:44PM
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I used a golf bag and got an extra 10kg's but not sure if they still do it. If its not in a golf bag, I've had situations where they are pretty anal about the 28kg limit and can hit you with some nasty charges for excess luggage.

I'd get verification from them about golf clubs (preferably in writing) and then keep it as a backup in case they give you hassles at the airport.

gorilla
WA, 48 posts
21 Oct 2010 10:00AM
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I flew through with a golf bag and didn't have any problems, except for a heart stopping moment when the check-in guy asked to see the golf clubs when I flew out... Luckily he was disctracted by something else and just put it all through

gorilla
WA, 48 posts
21 Oct 2010 10:10AM
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Also be sure to padlock your bags (zip ties are not good enough) as theft at Joburg airport can be a problem.

And stay away from the Castle beer, it's horrible stuff, Windhoek is what you want to be drinking

Whitters
QLD, 2 posts
21 Oct 2010 1:02PM
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SAA sports equipment flies free...

see the SAA website

The following Sport equipment mentioned below will allow an additional 20kg per passenger - this is valid to both the Weight and Piece Concept:
Surfboards/kite surfing/paragliding: smaller than 200cm

www.flysaa.com

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
21 Oct 2010 5:40PM
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gorilla said...

Also be sure to padlock your bags (zip ties are not good enough) as theft at Joburg airport can be a problem.

And stay away from the Castle beer, it's horrible stuff, Windhoek is what you want to be drinking


Agree 100% on the locks. Wrap your gear in plastic wrap at the airport and don't leave anything remotely valuable in your bags. I've had my bags broken into all 3 times flying from JHB to Dubai but its worse on the way out of JHB as they have your bag for an hour or more before they shove it on the plane and that gives the baggage handlers plenty of time for their daily "tourist shopping" activities. Fortunately a kiteboard is hard to hide under your clothes but I've regularly heard of guys opening their bags to find an old pair of daggy shoes has replaced their new Nike's which some baggage handler has decided to do a swap with. Likelihood of a camera surviving through is pretty low as they have contacts in the xray areas that warn them of bags which have electronics in.

Burls
209 posts
21 Oct 2010 4:45PM
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Whitters said...

SAA sports equipment flies free...

see the SAA website

The following Sport equipment mentioned below will allow an additional 20kg per passenger - this is valid to both the Weight and Piece Concept:
Surfboards/kite surfing/paragliding: smaller than 200cm

www.flysaa.com



How cool is that! Could you imagine Jetstar grasping this concept? The term 'When hell freezes over' comes to mind......
It even puts Virgin's '10 kgs of sports gear for free' policy to shame.



INfiniDIE
WA, 478 posts
22 Oct 2010 2:50AM
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Plastic wrap is the only safe way to go. I work in post entry arrivals in Perth Intl. Airport and I can break in and out of your bag without leaving a single trace, with a ballpoint pen. Plastic wrap is the safest way to go, do yourself a favour though, get 10 metres of glad wrap from woolies, put your bag on a swivel chair and wrap the sucker up and save yourself $10-$20.

wdric
NSW, 1625 posts
2 Nov 2010 7:09PM
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Never been there before, but looking at a trip early next year from Sydney.

Is SAA the best airline to get you there?

Is it worth staying in Joburg for a couple of days if you are on a kiting trip, or best to head straight to capetown?

davidgkites
51 posts
2 Nov 2010 4:47PM
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A friend who brought his gear out here from johanesburg? cost $190 excess weight of bag was 29kg

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
2 Nov 2010 8:03PM
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wdric said...

Never been there before, but looking at a trip early next year from Sydney.

Is SAA the best airline to get you there?

Is it worth staying in Joburg for a couple of days if you are on a kiting trip, or best to head straight to capetown?


JHB is only worth it if you're planning on doing game reserves, because there are some nearby. If you're not doing game reserves, go straight to Cape Town

RPM
WA, 1549 posts
2 Nov 2010 5:10PM
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INfiniDIE said...

Plastic wrap is the only safe way to go. I work in post entry arrivals in Perth Intl. Airport and I can break in and out of your bag without leaving a single trace, with a ballpoint pen. Plastic wrap is the safest way to go, do yourself a favour though, get 10 metres of glad wrap from woolies, put your bag on a swivel chair and wrap the sucker up and save yourself $10-$20.


WTF.. That's handy. Why are you breaking into bags in the first place? Unless your familiar with SOA132/c and your AFP I wouldn't be claiming that you can break into bags at the airport.

Wisha
SA, 255 posts
5 Nov 2010 1:08PM
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I guess he did say "I can", not "I do"

Anyway, what is the point of the clingwrap? Surely they can just cut it. There's no way to prove you put it on in the first place. I can imagine a luggage handler loving picking up a heavy bag with no handles.. "I'll just kick and throw that one cause I cant grab it" ??

Airlines with digital technology should be able to show a pic of your locked bag at 'x' weight at check in. If the lock is removed, or the weight has changed at pick-up then you dont touch it, the airline should then open it.

Bag weight is increased, dont touch it. No more 'Shappelle Corby' incidents as the weight would have changed!

Surely its not that hard??

IanR
NSW, 1322 posts
5 Nov 2010 2:35PM
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Hi etiennePr
I have a brother that lives in Cape town and I visit Him every two years or so. I've been caught out with excess luggage by SAA. Basically took a golf style bag at 30kgs and 10kg backpack. Left Sydney no problem no excess charge. When it came to leave Cape town they wanted to charge me au$600. for 10kgs excess. I left a backpack full of clothes with Brother.

Now I pack two kites wet suit and harness bars ect into my biggest kite bag. have a bigger board bag than necessary and pack clothes ext around my board. I can almost take the same amount as stuff as before when you subtract the 5 or 6 Kgs of wheeled golf bag. from the 30 Kgs you can usually get away with.

I agree with the guys about the plastic wrap. Many third world airports now have plastic shrink wrapping Services in them. It is very easy to split a zip with a pen. Yes if they do want something in your bag they will just cut it open. But you stop the criminals from opening the bag a little and feeling around for something and then leave the bag looking untampered. My brother lost a camera and a laptop from this sort of crime flying from JHB to Dubai. He only realised when he got to his hotel and opened the bag. The airline completely rejected his claim.
Do Cut a hole in the plastic for handles or wisha is right they will destroy your bag

RSA has some great beers I personnel like Black Label try them all. The only Castle I'll drink is the Pilsner from Zimbabwe.

INfiniDIE
WA, 478 posts
5 Nov 2010 12:03PM
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WTF.. That's handy. Why are you breaking into bags in the first place? Unless your familiar with SOA132/c and your AFP I wouldn't be claiming that you can break into bags at the airport.


Don't need to be, behold my Legislative powers:
70A Power to search goods

(1) A quarantine officer may search and examine any goods which, or
which a quarantine officer believes on reasonable grounds:
(a) are about to be placed on, are on, or have been taken off or
out of, an overseas vessel; or
(b) are on, or are about to be placed on, a vessel or installation in
the Protected Zone or a Special Quarantine Zone that is about
to travel to a place in Australia; or
(c) are on, or have been taken off or out of, a vessel or
installation that has travelled to a place in Australia from or
through a place in the Protected Zone or a Special Quarantine
Zone.
(2) A quarantine officer may ask a person who owns, is carrying or is
otherwise associated with, or appears to the quarantine officer to be
associated with, goods that the quarantine officer is searching or
examining or entitled to search or examine under subsection (1)
any question in respect of the goods relating to matters within the
functions, duties or powers of the quarantine officer.
(3) A person is guilty of an offence if:
(a) the person is asked a question under subsection (2); and
(b) the person fails to answer the question.
Maximum penalty: 60 penalty units.
(4) A person is guilty of an offence if:
(a) the person answers a question asked under subsection (2);
and
(b) the answer contains a statement that the person knows to be
false or misleading in a material particular.
Maximum penalty: Imprisonment for 2 years.
(5) An offence against subsection (3) is an offence of strict liability.
Note: This section is subject to the privilege against self incrimination (see
subsection 79A(3)).

Basically it means if you are arriving in Australia and I have reason to believe you are carrying goods that may, by your own admission or not, be of harmful nature to Australia's Ecosystems, Community or People.

Wisha
SA, 255 posts
5 Nov 2010 3:00PM
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Pretty sure (well at least in Aus) you customs guys leave a tag to say that you have opened the bag (which I assume is policy)?

As for 3rd world 'customs'...maybe a few carefully placed razor blades around the length of the inner zip. Feel free to put your wrist through your little hole...

Disclaimer - Your bag may be covered in red DNA at pickup!

INfiniDIE
WA, 478 posts
5 Nov 2010 12:51PM
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Nope, if something is seized then we would leave an Order in form, otherwise we don't need to leave any information... it's all in the constitution.

Mask
WA, 293 posts
5 Nov 2010 1:06PM
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Wow, you,re a legend.

INfiniDIE said...


WTF.. That's handy. Why are you breaking into bags in the first place? Unless your familiar with SOA132/c and your AFP I wouldn't be claiming that you can break into bags at the airport.


Don't need to be, behold my Legislative powers:
70A Power to search goods

(1) A quarantine officer may search and examine any goods which, or
which a quarantine officer believes on reasonable grounds:
(a) are about to be placed on, are on, or have been taken off or
out of, an overseas vessel; or
(b) are on, or are about to be placed on, a vessel or installation in
the Protected Zone or a Special Quarantine Zone that is about
to travel to a place in Australia; or
(c) are on, or have been taken off or out of, a vessel or
installation that has travelled to a place in Australia from or
through a place in the Protected Zone or a Special Quarantine
Zone.
(2) A quarantine officer may ask a person who owns, is carrying or is
otherwise associated with, or appears to the quarantine officer to be
associated with, goods that the quarantine officer is searching or
examining or entitled to search or examine under subsection (1)
any question in respect of the goods relating to matters within the
functions, duties or powers of the quarantine officer.
(3) A person is guilty of an offence if:
(a) the person is asked a question under subsection (2); and
(b) the person fails to answer the question.
Maximum penalty: 60 penalty units.
(4) A person is guilty of an offence if:
(a) the person answers a question asked under subsection (2);
and
(b) the answer contains a statement that the person knows to be
false or misleading in a material particular.
Maximum penalty: Imprisonment for 2 years.
(5) An offence against subsection (3) is an offence of strict liability.
Note: This section is subject to the privilege against self incrimination (see
subsection 79A(3)).

Basically it means if you are arriving in Australia and I have reason to believe you are carrying goods that may, by your own admission or not, be of harmful nature to Australia's Ecosystems, Community or People.




destine
NSW, 157 posts
5 Nov 2010 5:39PM
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What happens if the stuff is damaged whilst being searched, assuming its accidental.

oh **** tough luck!! or is there some kind of compensation? i have seen some custom people be a bit rough sometimes.

INfiniDIE
WA, 478 posts
5 Nov 2010 8:49PM
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We endeavour to do our best, however sometimes things are damaged and if so ACS and other border agencies will not admit fault, basically when you buy an airfare ticket read the fine print, it's all there-- saying you accept all damages that may occur to your luggage whilst in transit. Dont like it? Dont travel.

IanR
NSW, 1322 posts
6 Nov 2010 1:15AM
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I think Infinidie the answers is don't give customs the reasons to search your kit.
Clean your gear before you leave and before you come home. Remove all sand and sea weed (V common in CT.)
Don't try anything stupid.

destine
NSW, 157 posts
6 Nov 2010 4:40AM
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I thought you might say that. Well thanks for the answer :)

Yeah i agree, don't give them a reason and clean your gear, also being pleasant does not hurt!!

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
6 Nov 2010 11:16AM
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Interestingly enough, I've heard the states customs can sometimes be pretty nasty. I've heard stories of people finding small drill holes in the board where they've been checking for drugs

destine
NSW, 157 posts
6 Nov 2010 2:02PM
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ahhhh!!! i would break!

thhey must have had a really good reason to do something like that, i doubt they would do that to spike someone with a bad attitude.

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
6 Nov 2010 6:22PM
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destine said...

ahhhh!!! i would break!

thhey must have had a really good reason to do something like that, i doubt they would do that to spike someone with a bad attitude.


Nah, nothing about bad attitude. I think it was just a random check. Might be to do with the way the board was constructed that they thought the dryer foam in some places was powder.

INfiniDIE
WA, 478 posts
6 Nov 2010 4:16PM
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Yeah all that is possible yet unlikely, you'd have to be really unlucky. Plus there is some pretty cool loopholes I can let you know about if I ever see you out on the water (ie releasing state secrets on a forum=not secure).

IanR- damn straight! Don't assume anything, or take the Incoming passenger card at face value, it's a legal binding document and just by ticking the wrong box can get you 10 years imprisonment... although highly unlikely.

I as a kitesurfer let most fellow surfers and kiters straight out cause I know they arent going kiting in freshwater... the main reason Freshwater is a trouble is cause of this bastard, NZ knows all about it:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didymosphenia_geminata

destine
NSW, 157 posts
7 Nov 2010 5:10AM
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seems a a good sea kite would clear it away. cursed stuff



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