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ADVICE!!!! Cabrinha switchblade 2 safety leash

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Created by boost75 > 9 months ago, 21 Jan 2008
boost75
WA, 26 posts
21 Jan 2008 11:52PM
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On my bar i am not sure where to put my safety leash so that when i do a back roll(nearly landing them!!)it wont tangle up.
On every position i can think of as soon as you roll it would tangle and hence so far i have not had that safety leash attched at all.
Any advice would be great.

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
22 Jan 2008 12:00AM
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put it at the plastic trim line just above the chicken loop. This is what in the old days you call a suicide leash. The kite depowers enough so this position is relatively safe in the wind range for your kite

stamp
QLD, 2791 posts
22 Jan 2008 1:01AM
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clip it on to the line just above the chicken loop. i think there is a sliding red plastic collar, and the leash clip goes above it

Flux
WA, 533 posts
22 Jan 2008 2:19AM
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Obviously riding without your safety leash on is a real bright move..................
The guys are right of course and when you brought the kite you should have been told?
As for twisting round the chicken loop ever thought about back rolling the other way to untangle it ?Which will teach you how to loop both ways.................
As the flagging ring on the back line is the safest place to flag the kite on if you are only learning.

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
22 Jan 2008 11:06AM
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On the cabrinhas you are flagging a front line not a back line....

Crashtest
QLD, 52 posts
22 Jan 2008 12:25PM
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dave...... said...

On the cabrinhas you are flagging a front line not a back line....



I have a SB3 and you FLAG the Back Line LHS, clips onto the ring on the bar.
Otherwise you attach to just above Chicken Loop like others have quoted.

Flux
WA, 533 posts
22 Jan 2008 2:09PM
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dave...... said...

On the cabrinhas you are flagging a front line not a back line....


It should be ^^^^^^ but

You obviously don't fly switchblades buddy

sunseeker
QLD, 1203 posts
22 Jan 2008 3:19PM
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I think the SB1 had a leash attachment on the front lines as the SB1 had a pulley bar.

kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2327281&highlight=leash

sunseeker
QLD, 1203 posts
22 Jan 2008 3:31PM
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The SB2 powerdrive 121 system is shown here.



you can attach your leash to the Flagging ring OR Leash Interface Ball. I usually attach mine on the de-power line between the chicken loop and the ball when I'm riding and on the flagging ring when I'm launching or landing.

Also, if your override 2 is clicked in place and your leash is set up at the leash interface ball, unless the override is set loose or disengaged the kite won't depower if you operate your safety release. I always test my override each time I go out or ride with it disengaged if I'm about to do a big trick or in heavy surf.

gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
22 Jan 2008 2:37PM
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Landing and launching clipping in to the flagging ring is so important, because so many screw ups happen on launch and land, and there is hard stuff all around.

sunseeker
QLD, 1203 posts
22 Jan 2008 4:52PM
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gruezi said...

Landing and launching clipping in to the flagging ring is so important, because so many screw ups happen on launch and land, and there is hard stuff all around.




Do you have a stopper ball on the flagging line?

Flux
WA, 533 posts
22 Jan 2008 4:05PM
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gruezi said...

Landing and launching clipping in to the flagging ring is so important, because so many screw ups happen on launch and land, and there is hard stuff all around.





Too true gruezi, although in particular, as you know this kite has the ability to have 100 % depower so IMO it is better to have the bar set up in override (i.e the retainer clip ball disengaged) and yes flagging the rear line, this is indeed the safest way.
But I also admit I never do that I always clip into the centre black line and use full depower, which is easily controlable in most situations.

Sunseeker makes a good point ....

"Also, if your override 2 is clicked in place and your leash is set up at the leash interface ball, unless the override is set loose or disengaged the kite won't depower if you operate your safety release. I always test my override each time I go out or ride with it disengaged if I'm about to do a big trick or in heavy surf."

This will see you in trouble if you do release. anyone that has had this happen to them will know , you release your kite the override clip is set too tight and it doesn't release , and just keeps you fully powered up!, and trying like hell to get the bar back in this situation is sooo difficuilt.
As a beginner IMO you should have your safety flagging on the flagging ring on this kite, not on the black line above chicken loop, because of the above senario.(at the very least on launch and land then change it to centre once launched if need be.)
I abmit it is crap that Cab SB2 & 3 flag the back line and not the front(I have mentioned this to Dan many times , but he doesn't see any problem with it ???),
The kite will spiral out of control(stopper ball set up !!!) and to re-right it once fagged on back line is impossible and a beach relauch is the only way , which doesn't help you if your 1 k out from shore.
They really should change this set up , as riding suicide is not for beginners anyway.
Cab should copy the front line mod IMO dfor the SB's

Gorgo
VIC, 5101 posts
22 Jan 2008 6:05PM
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The safety systems have changed from SB1 to SB2 but have stayed the same for SB2 and the SB3.

I ride 99% of the time with the leash attached to the plastic depower line, below the red sliding ball. The red ball protects the anodised bar middle from being scratched by the metal snap hook on the leash.

In this configuration the leash is used as a backup for the donkey dick. It is easy to get accidentally unhooked if you pull the bar in too far. I sometimes even ride unhooked. :) You can spin and twist all you want in this configuration but you need to be able to work two quick releases to get rid of the kite if you need to (1 chicken loop + 1 leash)

If things are insane I will hook the leash into the rear flagging line. Usually this is for insanely strong and gusty winds and beaches with not a lot of space downwind. I am usually just out the survive and do big air and bash waves and not do any loops or spins.

At some beaches I will launch with the rear flagging line attached then transfer to the suicide position once well out from the beach.

Flux
WA, 533 posts
22 Jan 2008 4:12PM
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Gorgo said...




If things are insane I will hook the leash into the rear flagging line. Usually this is for insanely strong and gusty winds and beaches with not a lot of space downwind. I am usually just out the survive and do big air and bash waves and not do any loops or spins.

At some beaches I will launch with the rear flagging line attached then transfer to the suicide position once well out from the beach.



Yep.............same here

gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
22 Jan 2008 4:16PM
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All good info, thanks.

Thanks esp. to Sunseeker for reminding me to have a stopper on the flagging line. Just went to the shed and did it to the 12m beast. I have been lazy and not done the stopper ball thingy and getting away with it, but it is stupid as I have been real greatful to have the stopper ball in place on my other kites when things go wrong......stopper on the safety line should really come standard from the seller.

I never engage the override at all, and if so, then only when fully depowered and sitting on the beach....better for my arms I recon not to ride on the knot. The design here can be improved that for sure, but the SB3 flys real sweet and sooooooooo much grunt for such a little thing....love it, let there be wind.

dave......
WA, 2119 posts
22 Jan 2008 4:28PM
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dave...... said...

On the cabrinhas you are flagging a front line not a back line....


It should be ^^^^^^ but

You obviously don't fly switchblades buddy

Not since the CB2 and SB1...... I prefer the safety and ease of use of hybrid kites with a 5th line. I have seen too many times a bridle get tangled on 4 line Bows and the thing death loops. This always seems to happen when the rider has used a kite way too big for the wind conditions. As an ex-iko accredited instructor I wanted to teach with the safest equipment possible.Still love my CB1 7m when its nuking

Flux
WA, 533 posts
22 Jan 2008 7:23PM
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Go back to Moes, Barney

IANC
QLD, 127 posts
23 Jan 2008 12:44PM
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Sunseeker said:

Do you have a stopper ball on the flagging line?




Howzit Sunseeker,

Could you explain how you set this up on your Flagging Line?

Thanks

sunseeker
QLD, 1203 posts
23 Jan 2008 2:33PM
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Hi Ian, you need to buy a stopper ball from a shop which is a ball that screws together over the line. It stops the bar from travelling all the way up to the kite when flag to one line.

You need to set it up far enough up the line so that the kite flags which is theoretically the length of your kite from one wingtip to the other. Start off there and then test it out on the beach in lighter winds.

I think this is right - if anyone knows differently then let me know.

boost75
WA, 26 posts
23 Jan 2008 9:35PM
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Hey THANKYOU SO MUCH to all the crew who took time to reply. I have printed the entire thing out and am doing all the things you have suggested.
Happy kiting to all and cheers again!!!!

sunseeker
QLD, 1203 posts
23 Jan 2008 10:40PM
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Good luck mate - happy kiting



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