hi all. just started suffering from some tennis elbow and its a pain in my ass. as wind session has kicked in, im not resting it and dont plan to rest it untill next year when the wind finished. im booked in for shoulder surgery after wind seasion so ill have plenty of time to rest it then. 6 weeks in a sling, 6 months rest, + 6 months taking it easy/ rehab.
iv been doing some research and found some information on glucose injections. iv actually had this before on an ankle injury and it worked. just curious how others delt with tennis elbow wile staying active. or if anyone has had glucose injections for tennis elbow.
regards kemp.
I've had two cortisone injections to a shoulder with bursitis, and one to a foot with a bone spur (since removed).
One of them worked really well. The other two did nothing.
Firstly I am no physio but have had a lot of experience in the fitness industry. In my experience you can stretch it out by , holding arm out in front, make a fist and fold it inward toward inner part of arm, push fist till you feel the spot thats hurting and gently push fist. Moving your fingers will help you find the spot and gently keep pushing. You may have to move your arm around a bit to find the inflamed area of your elbow.
It does hurt a little but thats ok.
Do this stretch over a few of days and hopefully problem solved.It's worked for me and others on number of occasions due to weight training and paddling.
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I've had two cortisone injections to a shoulder with bursitis, and one to a foot with a bone spur (since removed).
One of them worked really well. The other two did nothing.
hey mate. yes iv heard that the sortisone is a hit and miss sort of thing
Had a cortisone injection in right elbow many years ago due to wear and tear of many sports and lots of windsurfing.
Quite painful for 2 days or so then the relief was amazing. Never had problems since in that elbow. Still windsurfing and lots of supping.
Left one is now bad and right shoulder so looking at another injection.
Worked for me.
kemp have had same issues on off for few years. the having to stop unhooked kiteloops on windy days is pretty annoying eventually the pain will get bad enough that you wont be able to physically do them. then it took me literally weeks of stretching it several times a day doing the silly little finger game etc etc. my advice would be to try to heal it up sooner then later. i know it sucks especially when trying to perfect something new but it really can get much worse.
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kemp have had same issues on off for few years. the having to stop unhooked kiteloops on windy days is pretty annoying eventually the pain will get bad enough that you wont be able to physically do them. then it took me literally weeks of stretching it several times a day doing the silly little finger game etc etc. my advice would be to try to heal it up sooner then later. i know it sucks especially when trying to perfect something new but it really can get much worse.
oh god, the thought of a unhooked kiteloop hurts my sholder, (torn labrum). i went out for a sesh the other day and was going to stay strictly hooked, but i just cant help myself. all i do is unhooked tricks.
looks like the wind will be at bay for a few days so that might give me a little resting time
i had tennis and golf elbow at the same time. the surgery that was recommended was shocking....different doctor and a heap of exercises,mainly stretching and i avoided the surgery.
i was advised not to go the cortisone injection in the tendons as they just dont work....the cortisone has worked for bursitis in my shoulder.
Check out orthocell (biocompany) so far ahead of the game in treating this condition. There labs are based in Murdoch uni.
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Check out orthocell (biocompany) so far ahead of the game in treating this condition. There labs are based in Murdoch uni.
Dammm, that's actually badass. Growing tendons! That's seriously something I would consider if it was on the east coast.
Growing full tendons is not available yet, however they have figured how to multply your own healthy tendon cells- tenocytes. Once multiplied they are injected back into the damaged area effectivley regenereting the damaged area. They are treating patients all over australia and worldwide. With great results. The cells do the traveling not you.
Just had my gluucose injections. So the theory is that you inject the glucose into the nerve that link to the problem area. This then irritates the the nerve causing your body to pump extra blood into the area. This makes your body heal it's self MUCH more effectively.
The injections don't hurt at all. Arm is a little sore after tho. I have to go back in another 3 weeks its its still sore, for more shots but after that should be cured.
Injecting sugary water into a damaged area is a bit suss. However if it works for you thats good. I would be asking for peer reviewed published evidence of this.
Okay, Mr Kemp. This is the deal. Tennis elbow is technically a tendinopathy, rather than tendonitis. That means that the tendon is degenerating and not able to tolerate the loads that you are putting through it, rather than an inflammation. (Typically tennis elbow will be painful on gripping activities and you will feel it in your elbow, not your ass, but you may need a differential diagnosis for that one.....
The evidence on the best approach to the treatment of lateral epicondylegia (the technical term) is mixed, however you will need to do a particular type of rehabilitation exercise program, including shoulder stuff to reduce the load through the tendons of the forearm which come off the side of the elbow. The best type of person to do this for you is a sports physio who has a particular interest in tendon rehabilitation. The type of person will be known as a Specialist Sports Physiotherapist. you can details from your local aust physio association in qld. there a re a few of them up there. Qld has had a lot of the physio's doing research on tendon rehab, so you should be well supplied.
The debate of injections is moot. The injection will reduce some pain, cause a healing response, or whatever else the guy on the end of the syringe claims it will do, however your problem will be a reduced loading capacity of the tendon, and that will need to be addressed at some point if you want a long term solution.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass on this one (with the exception of the crack about differential diagnosis, you were wide open for that one.), I just get a little frustrated that the merry-go-round of poor advice has a real cost to those on the carousel.
Good luck
I've had tennis elbow and golfers elbow in both elbows from too much kiting over the years.
Saw lots of physios, did lots of stretching, small exercises every day etc etc, and the only thing that started to help was dry needling.
However, it continued for a few years, and ultimatley it got so bad at times that I could barely wrap my lines up at the end of a session and would take hours to calm down.
I pushed it way too hard and had to give up kiting, surfing and swimming for about 2 months to just let it settle down.
I looked at all the different treatment and surgery options, including plasma injections and Orthocell. I was actually very close to paying the $4500 for the Orthocell surgery. However, a sports doctor just before committing to Orthocell decided to first completely check the status of my tendons before going down the surgery path using an MRI.
MRI results shows minor degenerative tendonitis in both 'golfers elbow' and 'tennis elbow' tendons, but not enough to warrant Orthocell.
MRI was definitely worthwhile, to get a full picture of what damage you have actually done to the elbow tendons, and I can't recommend this enough - it really helped understand what was going to work.
Eventually had cortisone injections into both elbows which significantly reduced the inflamation. Then, following every kite session, I now wrap both elbows in those flexible ice-packs for about 20 minutes, and sometimes ice them again in the morning. Also, if they're flaring up I use topical and oral antiflamatories.
Also I purchased lower bar pressure kites and changed some techniques (like double hand on the bar when doing down-loops etc), to reduce the overall strain on the elbows.
Kited all of last summer using these changes and have had WAAAYYYYY less issues.
To me, changing to lower bar pressure kites and icing the elbows seems to have resulted in the biggest differences.
Good luck with it.
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Just had my gluucose injections. So the theory is that you inject the glucose into the nerve that link to the problem area. This then irritates the the nerve causing your body to pump extra blood into the area. This makes your body heal it's self MUCH more effectively.
The injections don't hurt at all. Arm is a little sore after tho. I have to go back in another 3 weeks its its still sore, for more shots but after that should be cured.
I'm surprised you didn't try the stretches I recommended . It fixes it in about 2-3 days.
After 24 hours after my glucose shots, the pain was 100% gone. Went out for a hard unhooking freestyle sesh on the kite and after 1 hour I started to get the slightest pain, still a little sore after but nothing compared to the last few times on the water. I really shouldn't have gone out but it was blowing 22 to 24knots Seabreeze with not a cloud in the sky.
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I've had two cortisone injections to a shoulder with bursitis, and one to a foot with a bone spur (since removed).
One of them worked really well. The other two did nothing.
that's partly the idea. If the injection gives u relief it confirms the injury in that area. It is as much a diagnostic tool as it is short to medium term relief.
the reason is because pain can be referred from another area (like banging elbow = pain in hand. Does not mean hand is injured)\\
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kemp90 said..
Just had my gluucose injections. So the theory is that you inject the glucose into the nerve that link to the problem area. This then irritates the the nerve causing your body to pump extra blood into the area. This makes your body heal it's self MUCH more effectively.
The injections don't hurt at all. Arm is a little sore after tho. I have to go back in another 3 weeks its its still sore, for more shots but after that should be cured.
I'm surprised you didn't try the stretches I recommended . It fixes it in about 2-3 days.
what, every single time for all people?
I'd be more inclined to read Juilan's post but no insult intended
Rest....rest...more rest and ice.
Also u can buy tennis elbow braces things from pharmacy for $29 odd bucks that will help
Suxs getting old eh 
Try blood injections, reuse your own cells into area. 70% success rate for cure, about $400, done under ultrasound by large radiology practice's. You will require GP referral. About 1/52 of limited activity, improvement usually occurs after 2-3 weeks and goes on for 6months. As recommended by top upper limb orthopaedic surgeon. Dyor first though. 
would not have any cortisone or other more expensive or more invasive treatment. Stretches and ice all good as well. Can take multi therapy to sort out. Get lighter bar pressure and reduce kite session time.
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Try blood injections, reuse your own cells into area. 70% success rate for cure, about $400, done under ultrasound by large radiology practice's. You will require GP referral. About 1/52 of limited activity, improvement usually occurs after 2-3 weeks and goes on for 6months. As recommended by top upper limb orthopaedic surgeon. Dyor first though. would not have any cortisone or other more expensive or more invasive treatment. Stretches and ice all good as well. Can take multi therapy to sort out. Get lighter bar pressure and reduce kite session time.
This is without doubt the best solution if you want a quick fix. It had no side effects other than being extremely painful when injected. I've had this three times and cleared the issue within two weeks. Rest, ice and stretch. Massage into the area but not directly on the tendonitis.
If you want to do it more slowly, follow rest and stretching guidelines.
It's all about encouraging blood flow into an area devoid of much blood to increase healing.
The hard part is finding the will to address the causes that lead to tendonitis. It took me a while but prevention has worked for five years.
All the best.
