The stimulus package is a welcomed thing but because it represents such a small percentage of our economy and only if it is spent soon and in one lump sum that is 2% I feel it will burn like a flame put to petrol.
Would not creating jobs putting in a pipeline from Up north and the benefits of water to all the drought stricken towns on the way down be a much better result for the money spent?
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Is that you Colin?
This idea has been debunked so many times its irritating.
Yes, yes... very irrigating...
Moving anything via pipeline is expensive, especially once distances start to increase. There were a lot of plans to build a gas pipeline from PNG to QLD 20 to 30 years ago but even that was eventually scrapped due to expense and they simply built the liquification plants there instead.
The economics work out if you are moving high value product like petroleum or copper concentrate and can sell it at a cost to justify the infrastructure. People pay for water in cents per gigalitre. Pipelines just are not economic for more than short distances when moving water.
You gotta get out more Paradox; water and in particular the right to access it, is becoming one of the most sought after commodities in the modern world. Right now, it's plentiful sometimes here and we all have access but one day things may change and large pipelines will become viable, but you're right ............... not right now. But when do you invest for a future return?
Yes you could build a pipeline to stimulate the economy' unfortunately it would be a year or two late.
engineering alone 6-12 months
acquiring land
acquiring materials
pumping stations
power supply for pumping stations
I want it to be built so everybody shuts up about it. Any chance, drought, finance, jobs, farming..... for the past 50 years.
Side note,.. regardless of cost, i do think its a good idea. Without it there is no change,.. with it, we could transform into the worlds food bowl which I am sure would balance the cost.
But it will stay the sames and never change, shame really, would be cool to WA deasert transformed into the NE QLD lush farm lands.
Good idea , the stimulus is more business orientated than job or wage creation .People need a pay packet to become customers, bring on infrastructure projects , central highway seal it from QLD through to WA etc etc
Will we become the world's food bowl? We don't just need water; we need the right soil; the right temperatures; the right access to markets; the right solution to dry-land salinity, etc.
The Ord River scheme allegedly created 260 jobs after decades and $2 billion. Agriculture in the area was abandoned for years after the scheme was completed.
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Will we become the world's food bowl? We don't just need water; we need the right soil; the right temperatures; the right access to markets; the right solution to dry-land salinity, etc.
The Ord River scheme allegedly created 260 jobs after decades and $2 billion. Agriculture in the area was abandoned for years after the scheme was completed.
Israel showed how deserts can be transformed Kununurra showed how fertile land becomes with water, and if they treated our sewage via composting instead of flushing it out to sea you could only imagine how fertile the interior of Australia would become, we have enough sunlight and I am sure it would attract huge investment for the future
Select to expand quoteZzzzzz said..Chris 249 said..
Will we become the world's food bowl? We don't just need water; we need the right soil; the right temperatures; the right access to markets; the right solution to dry-land salinity, etc.
The Ord River scheme allegedly created 260 jobs after decades and $2 billion. Agriculture in the area was abandoned for years after the scheme was completed.
Israel showed how deserts can be transformed Kununurra showed how fertile land becomes with water, and if they treated our sewage via composting instead of flushing it out to sea you could only imagine how fertile the interior of Australia would become, we have enough sunlight and I am sure it would attract huge investment for the future
Leave it long enough and the Chinese will do it.
You cannot possibly expect the abject collection of f^cktards in Canberra to come up with anything which will benefit the Australian public. They're incapable of planning beyond the next election and they even screw that up with frightening regularity.
And if you take the corporate take over of agricultural land into account, thinking specifically of cotton and sugar, then it becomes starkly obvious that food security is not a consideration.
I vote Zzzzzzzzzz for President of Australia,
You have so many great ideas to make this country, hell the world great again.
You need to move forward from Seabreeze
God be with you
Select to expand quoteZzzzzz said..Chris 249 said..
Will we become the world's food bowl? We don't just need water; we need the right soil; the right temperatures; the right access to markets; the right solution to dry-land salinity, etc.
The Ord River scheme allegedly created 260 jobs after decades and $2 billion. Agriculture in the area was abandoned for years after the scheme was completed.
Israel showed how deserts can be transformed Kununurra showed how fertile land becomes with water, and if they treated our sewage via composting instead of flushing it out to sea you could only imagine how fertile the interior of Australia would become, we have enough sunlight and I am sure it would attract huge investment for the future
Okay, what are the sums? How much will the pipeline cost? How much water will it deliver? How many square ks of crops, of what type, will it irrigate? How much will those crops be worth? Who will buy those crops at those prices? After all, if you want investment you must be able to show investors how they will profit from it.
Then please tell us exactly how you are going to deal with rising salinity etc. Also, where is this area of fertile soil and how deep is it?
How much will it cost to get sewerage from whatever city or town it will come from, up and into the fields? How many Australian farmers use human sewerage and will they use it? Will Aussies buy produce that uses human sewerage? Maybe they should, but when a Queensland town was asked whether they would use recycled water they turned the idea down.
What happens downstream of the source of all this nutrients? How will those watercourses cope?
Did you spend much of this summer dealing with a red alert due to blue green algae caused by low water levels and high nutrient loading? I did. It wasn't fun.
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Yes you could build a pipeline to stimulate the economy' unfortunately it would be a year or two late.
engineering alone 6-12 months
acquiring land
acquiring materials
pumping stations
power supply for pumping stations
Why would you need pumping stations??
Derr.
Kununarra is at the top of WA, the water will just flow downhill to Perth.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..elmo said..
Yes you could build a pipeline to stimulate the economy' unfortunately it would be a year or two late.
engineering alone 6-12 months
acquiring land
acquiring materials
pumping stations
power supply for pumping stations
Why would you need pumping stations??
Derr.
Kununarra is at the top of WA, the water will just flow downhill to Perth.
Whoopsy-daisy... looks like someone has forgotten the earth is flat.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..Zzzzzz said..Chris 249 said..
Will we become the world's food bowl? We don't just need water; we need the right soil; the right temperatures; the right access to markets; the right solution to dry-land salinity, etc.
The Ord River scheme allegedly created 260 jobs after decades and $2 billion. Agriculture in the area was abandoned for years after the scheme was completed.
Israel showed how deserts can be transformed Kununurra showed how fertile land becomes with water, and if they treated our sewage via composting instead of flushing it out to sea you could only imagine how fertile the interior of Australia would become, we have enough sunlight and I am sure it would attract huge investment for the future
Okay, what are the sums? How much will the pipeline cost? How much water will it deliver? How many square ks of crops, of what type, will it irrigate? How much will those crops be worth? Who will buy those crops at those prices? After all, if you want investment you must be able to show investors how they will profit from it.
Then please tell us exactly how you are going to deal with rising salinity etc. Also, where is this area of fertile soil and how deep is it?
How much will it cost to get sewerage from whatever city or town it will come from, up and into the fields? How many Australian farmers use human sewerage and will they use it? Will Aussies buy produce that uses human sewerage? Maybe they should, but when a Queensland town was asked whether they would use recycled water they turned the idea down.
What happens downstream of the source of all this nutrients? How will those watercourses cope?
Did you spend much of this summer dealing with a red alert due to blue green algae caused by low water levels and high nutrient loading? I did. It wasn't fun. Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..Zzzzzz said..Chris 249 said..
Will we become the world's food bowl? We don't just need water; we need the right soil; the right temperatures; the right access to markets; the right solution to dry-land salinity, etc.
The Ord River scheme allegedly created 260 jobs after decades and $2 billion. Agriculture in the area was abandoned for years after the scheme was completed.
Israel showed how deserts can be transformed Kununurra showed how fertile land becomes with water, and if they treated our sewage via composting instead of flushing it out to sea you could only imagine how fertile the interior of Australia would become, we have enough sunlight and I am sure it would attract huge investment for the future
Okay, what are the sums? How much will the pipeline cost? How much water will it deliver? How many square ks of crops, of what type, will it irrigate? How much will those crops be worth? Who will buy those crops at those prices? After all, if you want investment you must be able to show investors how they will profit from it.
Then please tell us exactly how you are going to deal with rising salinity etc. Also, where is this area of fertile soil and how deep is it?
How much will it cost to get sewerage from whatever city or town it will come from, up and into the fields? How many Australian farmers use human sewerage and will they use it? Will Aussies buy produce that uses human sewerage? Maybe they should, but when a Queensland town was asked whether they would use recycled water they turned the idea down.
What happens downstream of the source of all this nutrients? How will those watercourses cope?
Did you spend much of this summer dealing with a red alert due to blue green algae caused by low water levels and high nutrient loading? I did. It wasn't fun.
Very good questions Chris , I have no idea but I do know that most of The stimulus payments made to to the Newstart payments will be pissed up the wall in general .
secondly any costs in transportation of the compost waste is only going to help stimulate the country further.
The water that can be collected from the monsoon season will keep us in water for ever Amen
What about the water pipeline to Kalgoorlie? Somehow they worked out how to do it around 100 years ago. A big fat pipe heading east to an inland mining town.
Most probably if something like this was proposed today it could not happen because it would require knocking down trees & hurting someone's feelings.
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What about the water pipeline to Kalgoorlie? Somehow they worked out how to do it around 100 years ago. A big fat pipe heading east to an inland mining town.
Most probably if something like this was proposed today it could not happen because it would require knocking down trees & hurting someone's feelings.
Its not actually all that big. I was marvelling at it as I drove to Perth, and its relatively small, and not at all like the diameter of the pipes that I have seen in Sydney.
Surprisingly it follows close by the road for most of the run I think.
I am impressed by it though. I think it takes some clever thinking to do it, and there must be other pumps somewhere along the line.. surely?
Gaddafi had a pipeline system built across much of Libya - it made the Kalgoorlie pipeline look like a toy, and yes, a lot of people got very upset with Gaddafi about his "greening the desert"!!
The international banks were very cross, because he didn't hock his country to pay for it, but did virtually everything in-house.
Unfortunately, much of the system was on the USA air forces priority hit list during one of the great unpleasantnesses over there.
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What about the water pipeline to Kalgoorlie? Somehow they worked out how to do it around 100 years ago. A big fat pipe heading east to an inland mining town.
Most probably if something like this was proposed today it could not happen because it would require knocking down trees & hurting someone's feelings.
Wrong. The last few months have seen a few emergency pipelines built in the Northern Tablelands to keep towns supplied with water. There was a controversial one built from the Murray River to Broken Hill for $500M that came on line last year
www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-26/wentworth-to-broken-hill-pipeline-turned-on/10844986
www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/15/documents-reveal-500m-broken-hill-pipeline-built-for-benefit-of-irrigators
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Gaddafi had a pipeline system built across much of Libya - it made the Kalgoorlie pipeline look like a toy, and yes, a lot of people got very upset with Gaddafi about his "greening the desert"!!
The international banks were very cross, because he didn't hock his country to pay for it, but did virtually everything in-house.
Unfortunately, much of the system was on the USA air forces priority hit list during one of the great unpleasantnesses over there.
This WAS an absolute engineering marvel of the world. Well worth reading up on for those interested in such things.
One of those new pipelines was built to take some of our dam's sailing water away just so people in town could drink it. What is up with people's priorities these days! 
Select to expand quotemazdon said..sn said..
Gaddafi had a pipeline system built across much of Libya - it made the Kalgoorlie pipeline look like a toy, and yes, a lot of people got very upset with Gaddafi about his "greening the desert"!!
The international banks were very cross, because he didn't hock his country to pay for it, but did virtually everything in-house.
Unfortunately, much of the system was on the USA air forces priority hit list during one of the great unpleasantnesses over there.
This WAS an absolute engineering marvel of the world. Well worth reading up on for those interested in such things.
It's something I never knew about, so thanks sn. But I can't see any significant greening on pics or Google maps.
On the shifting tropical rainfall south from the Kimberley, I've got an idea for a scheme worthy of Macroscien, but I'm not going to illustrate it with screen grabs.
No pipeline involved and the water doesn't end up in Perth.
The last couple of years of drought are claimed to be due to the Indian Ocean Dipole moving the warm water toward Africa, reducing evaporation off northwest WA, resulting in drier winds flowing over central Australia and further east. So our problem is, how can we increase the evaporation?
Solution is using the abundant sunshine in the north to power pumps that take ocean water and just spray it up into the air off the coast. Lots of droplets in the air have a much bigger surface area than the undisturbed ocean, so the evaporation rate is increased. The slightly wetter air can then move across the continent and drop its moisture over the NT, Qld and northern NSW. Fat cattle all round! Even at Dalby
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Very good questions Chris , I have no idea but I do know that most of The stimulus payments made to to the Newstart payments will be pissed up the wall in general .
That's exactly why they're getting the money, they'll tip it straight back into the retail economy, whether it be drugs or TV's they can be trusted to spend it, and spend it quickly. Unlike the sensible folk that will pop it into a bank account and leave it there.
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Very good questions Chris , I have no idea but I do know that most of The stimulus payments made to to the Newstart payments will be pissed up the wall in general .
That's exactly why they're getting the money, they'll tip it straight back into the retail economy, whether it be drugs or TV's they can be trusted to spend it, and spend it quickly. Unlike the sensible folk that will pop it into a bank account and leave it there.
I love how we know that everyone on new start is a dole bludging lazy drug addict.
Select to expand quotemazdon said..sn said..
Gaddafi had a pipeline system built across much of Libya - it made the Kalgoorlie pipeline look like a toy, and yes, a lot of people got very upset with Gaddafi about his "greening the desert"!!
The international banks were very cross, because he didn't hock his country to pay for it, but did virtually everything in-house.
Unfortunately, much of the system was on the USA air forces priority hit list during one of the great unpleasantnesses over there.
This WAS an absolute engineering marvel of the world. Well worth reading up on for those interested in such things.
It was a marvel.
Libya was is similar to Australia in that their wheat industry can be very productive but is subject to cyclical droughts. The Roman empire used to source a lot of their wheat in Libya. The scheme intended to insure that the food supply was uninterrupted.
And yes, before the international banks lackeys in NATO had finished trashing the scheme along with a lot of Libya they had set up a central bank branch to deal with oil transactions,
Which was the objective right from the start.
