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Created by Harrow > 9 months ago, 14 Dec 2020
Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
14 Dec 2020 2:52PM
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I've heard all the stories, but this is the first time it's happened to us.

My wife went to the physiotherapist to fix some hip pain she's been having. That night she discussed with me the physio's idea of trying orthotics to address the issue by preventing overpronation of her foot. She has sent no text messages or emails about the subject and has not done any internet searches related to the issue. Next day she is receiving ads on her phone about shoes that offer arch support.

Creepy!

FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
14 Dec 2020 12:25PM
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Harrow said..
I've heard all the stories, but this is the first time it's happened to us.

My wife went to the physiotherapist to fix some hip pain she's been having. That night she discussed with me the physio's idea of trying orthotics to address the issue by preventing overpronation of her foot. She has sent no text messages or emails about the subject and has not done any internet searches related to the issue. Next day she is receiving ads on her phone about shoes that offer arch support.

Creepy!


Yeah, that explains all the ads I am seeing too... must be one of the neighbours that is googling stuff

I suspect that anything that goes through Gmail or any other online email service is filtered for keywords.

Then again, if a phone can wait for 'hey siri' or 'ok google', is it doing anything else with words it hears?

Maybe you can try an experiment. Start uttering different words in different places, send emails with different content, and see which ones get a result?

S018
SA, 338 posts
14 Dec 2020 3:13PM
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Was it on her Calender?
May have picked up the words from there.

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
14 Dec 2020 3:49PM
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Was it on her Calender?
May have picked up the words from there.

Physio, maybe, but not orthotics.

Brent in Qld
WA, 1392 posts
14 Dec 2020 12:50PM
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Here's one for the crew.
Ads in YouTube on a PC booted my phone assistant into responding the other day. I sat back laughing like hell as my phone tried to converse with noise coming out of my PC/work tower. Thankfully, computer said NO.

Gazuki
WA, 1363 posts
14 Dec 2020 1:08PM
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I had the same thing once. On the piss with a shark fisho I know and he gave me a set of jaws. Obviously the topic of the night but no one was playing on phones cuz of the state we were in but the next day and following I received eBay notification about jaws,. They were in my feed etc. Bit trippy but we all kind of knew.

mr love
VIC, 2415 posts
14 Dec 2020 4:15PM
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You phone listens...how else do you explain my google phone sitting beside me on the couch displaying the name of the song playing on the TV on the screen?

AUS 808
WA, 508 posts
14 Dec 2020 2:35PM
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Harrow said..

S018 said..
Was it on her Calender?
May have picked up the words from there.


Physio, maybe, but not orthotics.


Maybe the Physio stores his patient notes in the "cloud" very secure

Craig66
NSW, 2466 posts
14 Dec 2020 5:48PM
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Paid with credit card.
Big brother / cloud
cross match card owner / age / sex / medical history
Makes assumption on why visit physiotherapist
Realizes wife of Harrow......
Oh your lucky she is not out to get you or she maybe receiving adds from the hunting store

FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
14 Dec 2020 2:52PM
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Brent in Qld said..
Here's one for the crew.
Ads in YouTube on a PC booted my phone assistant into responding the other day. I sat back laughing like hell as my phone tried to converse with noise coming out of my PC/work tower. Thankfully, computer said NO.


I had my Samsung TV start listening recently while I was watching episodes of The Mentalist. It seems like 'Rigsby' is close enough to 'Bixby' (the samsung assistant) that it would start listening for commands. The scary thing is I didn't enable it for this feature and it sort of does it by default.

I can see the benefit, but sometimes I prefer to just press buttons instead of telling my TV what I want to do.

Carantoc
WA, 7189 posts
14 Dec 2020 3:48PM
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You see.

You'se all see.

If you had all spent less time with the mocking and the joking and the be-little-ing, and instead concentrated on Carantoc's Top Tips and Internet Hacks numbers 1 to 26 none of you would have any of these problems.

I have no sympathy.

Flatty
QLD, 239 posts
14 Dec 2020 6:32PM
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Carantoc said..
You see.

You'se all see.

If you had all spent less time with the mocking and the joking and the be-little-ing, and instead concentrated on Carantoc's Top Tips and Internet Hacks numbers 1 to 26 none of you would have any of these problems.

I have no sympathy.


Well if my phone is listening please put ads up that link me to Carantocs top tips number 1-26. I can only find 27. I would love to read them. Espesically if it is written by someone as legendary as Carantoc.

Wouldnt suprise me one bit if my phone is voice recording me right now. I can imagine how much of the useless bullsh_t that it (probably) picks up on that is said in my shed.

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
14 Dec 2020 8:34PM
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FormulaNova said..
I had my Samsung TV start listening recently while I was watching episodes of The Mentalist. It seems like 'Rigsby' is close enough to 'Bixby' (the samsung assistant) that it would start listening for commands. The scary thing is I didn't enable it for this feature and it sort of does it by default.

I can see the benefit, but sometimes I prefer to just press buttons instead of telling my TV what I want to do.

This is well documented. Apparently one of the reasons that the new Smart TVs are so cheap is that the sale of the TV is only a part of the money they receive from selling it.....there is also an ongoing revenue stream from the manufacturer of the TV selling the data that the TV gathers about you.

FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
14 Dec 2020 5:56PM
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Flatty said..

Carantoc said..
You see.

You'se all see.

If you had all spent less time with the mocking and the joking and the be-little-ing, and instead concentrated on Carantoc's Top Tips and Internet Hacks numbers 1 to 26 none of you would have any of these problems.

I have no sympathy.



Well if my phone is listening please put ads up that link me to Carantocs top tips number 1-26. I can only find 27. I would love to read them. Espesically if it is written by someone as legendary as Carantoc.

Wouldnt suprise me one bit if my phone is voice recording me right now. I can imagine how much of the useless bullsh_t that it (probably) picks up on that is said in my shed.


See Agenda 21 for where CT's (see, there's even something there) post went for tips 1 to 26. It's so clear even a 9 and a half year old could see it.

I think 'someone' saw them and then deemed them too likely to get us to learn the truth.

Maybe its better that we don't know, and I am pretty sure from now on "Carantoc" will be Carantoc in name only. He has been gotten to.

FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
14 Dec 2020 5:58PM
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FormulaNova said..
I had my Samsung TV start listening recently while I was watching episodes of The Mentalist. It seems like 'Rigsby' is close enough to 'Bixby' (the samsung assistant) that it would start listening for commands. The scary thing is I didn't enable it for this feature and it sort of does it by default.

I can see the benefit, but sometimes I prefer to just press buttons instead of telling my TV what I want to do.



This is well documented. Apparently one of the reasons that the new Smart TVs are so cheap is that the sale of the TV is only a part of the money they receive from selling it.....there is also an ongoing revenue stream from the manufacturer of the TV selling the data that the TV gathers about you.



To be fair, there are options to turn this off, and I think they made sure this was clear when the news first broke about smart devices listening. I think Samsung in particular got caned for it.

I now have to hold the button for it to listen to me... or so it says

Edit: I read up on this other thing too, where the TV manufacturers get additional revenue. They sell you a flash TV and it has a Netflix or Prime Video button on it, and Netflix and Amazon pay them money to do it! You get a good TV with bugger all buttons and 2 of them are devoted, and not changeable from Netflix and Prime Video. It would be better to remap them, but apparently you can't.

w8ingforwind
QLD, 259 posts
14 Dec 2020 9:07PM
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Mark _australia
WA, 23514 posts
14 Dec 2020 10:49PM
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Yup we have given our lives to the companies.
Everyone scared of the Govt listening in etc - rubbish. The phone companies are. The clever Chinese mob who make all the IP cameras for CCTV so now they can literally watch the whole world

tarquin1
954 posts
15 Dec 2020 4:02AM
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My brother in law picked up on this a while ago. We all told him he was paranoid and crazy. But since then have noticed it.
My 14 year old daughter got told to put tape over the camera on her laptop and turn the mic off from her computer teacher at school.

TonyAbbott
924 posts
15 Dec 2020 4:48AM
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Zuckerberg puts headphones with the cable cut-off in his computer to stop people listening in.

He knows what's going on more than anyone

Carantoc
WA, 7189 posts
15 Dec 2020 5:59AM
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...Maybe its better that we don't know, and I am pretty sure from now on "Carantoc" will be Carantoc in name only. He has been gotten to.


I hear what ya saying FN, I hear what you're saying.





No, I can literally hear what ya saying.

Ben1973
1008 posts
15 Dec 2020 6:44AM
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Google pixel phones definitely listen all the time, say for example I ask someone how old say the queen is, then I open google and before I've finished typing 'how' it's filled the rest in for me. If I'm talking about someth8ng one day the next day my news feed is full of articles about the same topic.

Tequila !
WA, 1028 posts
15 Dec 2020 7:27AM
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Old news...this is going on for a while (I think the first time I noticed was 18 months ago).

It also scans and reads your messages in Whatsapp for key words...

and I don't have facebook, Istawhat, I don't use any mobile phone paying app (but use Credit Card).

The founders of Google (who don't run the company today) ditched against this when they noticed the full potential, but the likes of Zuchinibag, the current Google CEO and others just rolled it.

If it gest too much, I will ditch my phone, or leave it at home when I go out.

Imax1
QLD, 4926 posts
15 Dec 2020 10:00AM
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I know they are listening , but what harm has come of it ? Targeted advertising apposed to random advertising .
Has anyone actually had a problem ?
Its not like the police or tax man are listening even if you are naughty . As far as I know the police can only get info related to child sex ??? And so they should .
Just play the game , being a raving tin hatter off the grid would be hard work. Good luck to that choice.
There are people in here that are consumed in conspiracies theory's , that also would be draining hard work . let the aliens listen . Not a lot I can do about it . What I can do is , try not worry about things like that and be happy . Soo much easier.

FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
15 Dec 2020 8:21AM
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I just came across this. I guess there is more tracking of things you do than you realise.

myactivity.google.com/myactivity?pli=1

I wonder how much of this is used to target ads to you? Go to a particular shop, and then you get ads for that shop or similar ones.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
15 Dec 2020 12:22PM
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If it's free, you are the product.

How much Google stuff do you use, and when have you ever given them money?

Google doesn't give you email and documents and maps and storage and DNS and everything it gives you for free out of the kindness of its heart.

It sells your data. That's its business model. always has been. It's no secret. There is no conspiracy or agenda.

You all read the agreements you sign all the time, right?

tarquin1
954 posts
15 Dec 2020 1:55PM
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Yes I get we are the product and our data gets sold etc. Thats understandable when you are using Google and searching etc.
But your phone listening in on your private conversations at home or wherever is surely breaking some sort of privacy law. And just not on in my view. But imagine life without Google!

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
15 Dec 2020 2:48PM
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tarquin1 said..
Yes I get we are the product and our data gets sold etc. Thats understandable when you are using Google and searching etc.
But your phone listening in on your private conversations at home or wherever is surely breaking some sort of privacy law. And just not on in my view. But imagine life without Google!


Just like all those mobs who have Google smart systems running their individual residences. Yesterday they, for about an hour couldn't even turn on the lights, let alone run anything

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
15 Dec 2020 2:48PM
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tarquin1 said..
Yes I get we are the product and our data gets sold etc. Thats understandable when you are using Google and searching etc.
But your phone listening in on your private conversations at home or wherever is surely breaking some sort of privacy law. And just not on in my view. But imagine life without Google!


Just like all those mobs who have Google smart systems running their individual residences. Yesterday they, for about an hour couldn't even turn on the lights, let alone run anything

tarquin1
954 posts
15 Dec 2020 4:23PM
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Last time I got a new phone they offered me one of those Google boxes. I said no thanks I don't want that thing in my house. The guy couldn't believe it. Its free he kept telling me!
Just heard on the radio there is a court case in the states. The big companies like Amazon google etc are being made to tell exactly what they do with all the data and who they sell it too.

Toph
WA, 1874 posts
15 Dec 2020 5:40PM
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They can listen all they want. Its fairly mundane conversation in my household.
Watch.... Well they'll only do that once

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
15 Dec 2020 8:16PM
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tarquin1 said..
Last time I got a new phone they offered me one of those Google boxes. I said no thanks I don't want that thing in my house. The guy couldn't believe it. Its free he kept telling me!
Just heard on the radio there is a court case in the states. The big companies like Amazon google etc are being made to tell exactly what they do with all the data and who they sell it too.


Beat me to it -- but it's old news: 2018, this one.

techcrunch.com/2018/11/14/amazon-echo-recordings-judge-murder-case/



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