Gold Bullion

We're all in this together. If the financial system fails, who do you think is going to give you a squillion dollars for your gold?

Might be better to invest in PM33TINFOIL futures.

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Harrow said..
We're all in this together. If the financial system fails, who do you think is going to give you a squillion dollars for your gold?

Yeah well if it's base metals then silver is the go. Heals Zombie bites.

That's the most sensible reason I have read for why you should buy silver ever.

But if the government is printing money ?????????????? isn't that inflation??????

Serious question!

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kk said..
But if the government is printing money ?????????????? isn't that inflation??????

Serious question!

Watch this documentary. It is made by the monetary reform party in the UK.

Ponzie currencies come and go, precious metals stick around, the wise n wealthy insure/diversify proportionally, accordingly where they can afford to. You just never know when there is going to be a crisis unless of course you are forwarned or behind it

Take note who holds a lot of silver below, and who has been acquiring lots of gold in the last several years, I guess they read conspiracy websites and manipulate markets .

fyi
www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-11/perth-mint-offers-gold-trading-through-blockchain/11590926

www.aaauetf.com/

gsiexchange.com/jp-morgan-cornered-silver-market/
The world's largest stockpile of privately owned silver-500 million ounces-is owned by one of the world's largest banks-JPMorgan Chase.

In just five years, JP Morgan Chase has accumulated the largest holding of physical silver in the world. In fact, prior to JP Morgan, there was only one other entity that owned more physical silver-the US government. And that was over a century ago when silver coinage was in common use.In 2008, the US Treasury and Federal Reserve asked JP Morgan to take over the failing investment bank, Bear Stearns.

What many people don't know is that Bear Stearns held the largest short positions in COMEX gold and silver. Upon taking over Bear Stearns, JP Morgan inherited the role as the metals' largest short seller.According to CFTC data, JP Morgan maintained these positions while concentrating its efforts on the silver market. Before long, JP Morgan became a dominant force in silver, able to exert significant influence on silver pricing.

JP Morgan's resources were so large that they were able to sell nearly unlimited quantities of silver futures even as prices rose, and buying them back as they plunged. As a result, JP Morgan made a profit amounting to hundreds of millions immediately after the Bear Stearns takeover.

The continuous silver market manipulation suppressed prices (as low as $9 per ounce) at a time when the physical supply of silver was drying up-a factor that catapulted silver to the near highs of $50 per ounce.

Caught with a dangerously large short position, JP Morgan sought assistance from the CME to offload some of these shorts-a cooperation that led to the rigging of one of the sharpest sell-offs in history. During this harrowing process, it dawned upon JP Morgan that investable silver was fundamentally scarce and that the most profitable side to be on for the long term is the long side. And this is when JP Morgan began hoarding silver.

It took 5 years for JP Morgan to accumulate 500 million ounces of silver without driving up prices.

There was not much investable silver available for JP Morgan to purchase. But as a custodian to SLV-the silver ETF-and the largest dealer and warehouse in the COMEX, JP Morgan was in a unique position to acquire all of the new silver produced across the world.In 2012,

JP Morgan took 100 million ounces of silver held for SLV holders and transferred it out of its London warehouse to make room for its own stockpile. JP Morgan also began taking delivery on the massive number of silver futures contracts it owned. On top of this, JP Morgan also became the largest buyer of the US Mint's Silver Eagles and the Royal Canadian Mint's Silver Maple Leafs.

JP Morgan's impressive feat was to inconspicuously "corner" the physical silver market while artificially managing a decline in the COMEX paper market.

By cleverly manipulating markets with short futures positions while acquiring newly produced silver, JP Morgan was able to quietly build its 500 million ounce stockpile.Sadly, given its own recognition of silver's value as a safe haven asset, JP Morgan's subsidiary bank-Chase-during the time of this accumulation had implemented a policy banning its customers to store silver, gold, or even cash in safety deposit boxes-discouraging some of its customers to dispense with the very thing JP Morgan was in the process of hoarding.

JP Morgan has strategically positioned itself to profit from silver's fundamental scarcity. Now, all it has to do is.absolutely nothing.

A stroke of genius? The perfect crime? Both? We can at least give them credit for identifying and seizing the opportunity to buy silver-an opportunity that would still have gone unnoticed by the majority of investors despite JP Morgan's clever manipulations.


www.jmbullion.com/investing-guide/pricing-payments/who-owns-most-silver-bullion-today/
Today's total transparent silver investment funds and exchange depositories now hold just over 920,000 million ounces of silver. Close to 1 billion ounces of silver may sound like a lot but compare that to a world with over $260 trillion in verifiable assets. About $20 billion in silver value, or 1 part per 13,000 is next to nothing. Silver is a very small market indeed. In progression from today's largest known silver hoards is (3rd) JPMorgan's silver warehouse inventory used on the COMEX, (2nd) the iShares ETF called SLV of which JPMorgan is custodian of and (1st) a surprising yet often overlooked growing entrant in today's silver bullion stacking frey. More on them all later. According to the World Silver Survey, annual world silver supply is also about 1,000,000 ounces per year. The vast majority (about 80%) of silver ore comes from new byproduct metal mining and about 1/5th from scrap silver recycling. So we have a situation where about 1 million ounces of silver are being held in trusts by investors and financial institutions. About 1 million ounces of silver are being used per year by industries like solar cell, silver bullion bar and coin fabrication, silver jewelry, and silverware manufacturers. Physical silver supply deficits have become the norm over the past 10 years worldwide. Judging from where prices have been over the past few years, it is hard to believe silver scrap recycling is ready to make up for these ongoing silver supply deficits. Market fundamental factors aside, let us examine more closely the 3 biggest silver hoards known today. #3) JP Morgan Silver COMEX Depository Around the same time silver bullion was hitting its near $50 high in late April 2011, JPMorgan began stockpiling silver bullion in its COMEX warehouse. Although the commercial bank has occasionally allowed registered silver stocks to be withdrawn, the near 6 year trend from nothing to now over 95 million ounces of silver has been steady. No other silver warehouses on the COMEX have stockpiled silver like JPMorgan. Overall the other five silver warehouses combined have dropped their silver inventories over the same near six year timeframe. This data has led many silver industry commentators to publicly speculate over JPMorgan's motivations as their silver warehouse now holds close to 50% of all deliverable silver bullion on the COMEX (the largest silver price influencing commodity exchange in the world).

#2) ETF iShares SLV Silver Stockpile Before we examine the overall silver stockpile of SLV, let us acquaint ourselves with the named parties involved in this silver ETF (exchange traded fund). The SLV sponsor is iShares Delaware Trust Sponsor LLC, a subsidiary of BlackRock, Inc. The SLV trustee is Bank of New York Mellon. The SLV custodian which oversees the trust's silver bullion stockpile is JPMorgan Chase Bank. The annual sponsor fee is ? % of the exchange traded fund's net asset value. This expense is accrued on a daily basis, and paid monthly in arrears. According to a recent SEC 10-K filing the Sponsor earned $25,294,785 USD for 2015 alone. Additional expenses paid by shareholders of the trust include: any expenses or liabilities of SLV that are not assumed by the Sponsor? any taxes and other governmental charges that may fall on SLV or its property? expenses and costs of any action taken by the Trustee or the Sponsor to protect SLV and the rights and interests shareholdes? and any indemnification or compensation for loss or damages of the SLV Sponsor as described within the prospectus. Finally according to the SLV 40 page prospectus, only Authorized Participants are allowed to deposit or take delivery of any physical silver bullion held within the SLV London warehouse. Physical silver deposits and or withdrawals are done in share baskets each representing 500,000 oz of physical silver bullion. The following are the only Authorized Participants published at the time of writing this article: Barclays Capital Inc. Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. Credit Suisse Securities (USA), LLC Goldman Sachs & Co. Goldman Sachs Execution & Clearing L.P. J.P. Morgan Securities LLC KCG Americas LLC Merrill Lynch Professional Clearing Corp. Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC SG Americas Securities, LLC RBC Capital Markets, LLC Scotia Capital (USA) Inc. UBS Securities LLC Virtu Financial BD LLC Virtu Financial Capital Markets LLC You can find our further commentary on ETFs like SLV and other precious metal proxies here. How much Silver Bullion does SLV have? Since launching in late April 2006, the SLV trust has accumulated over 338,000,000 million ounces of silver bullion. Interestingly unlike the popular gold ETF GLD, silver spot price declines from the 2011 peak have not really reduced the amount of silver bullion JPMorgan is custodian of for SLV.

#1) Private Silver Bullion Stackers Perhaps you have heard or seen some silver bullion buyers at times referring to themselves as silver "stackers". The growing trend of physical silver bullion coin and bullion bar buying has been rather steady since the 2008 financial crisis. Many of today's silver bullion buyers are able to sleep better knowing they have some direct wealth outside of the banking and financial system.

Often silver bullion buyers would argue the bank and financial sector still requires real structural reforms before trust with their wealth is merited. A large percentage of the silver bullion buying public are avid and disciplined silver buyers. Much of their discretionary cash is consistently sidelined waiting to be used to buy silver bullion, especially during dramatic silver spot price dips.

Unlike virtually all government partnered central banks (who buy and hoard about 1/5th of all the gold ever mined), the investing public is today more and more apt to buy and own physical silver bullion over gold bullion for personal monetary savings and reserves. Perhaps due to the amount of troy ounces they get for their cash, or the fundamental factors driving many to believe silver to be more undervalued than gold, the moniker "poor man's gold" still applies to silver today. Historically silver is the people's money of choice and that appears to becoming more and more true every year. In 2015, some 28% of the world's entire yearly supply of silver was used for investment .999 silver bullion coin and bullion bar fabrication. Demand for silver bullion was a mere approximate 6% of annual world silver supplies the two years preceding the 2008 financial crisis. The global financial crisis appears to have created a
crowd of modern day Hunt Brothers who are actively buying and stacking silver bullion. Just took a look at the four fold demand in physical silver bullion bar and coin buying since Lehman Brothers collapsed nearly taking the whole financial system down with it. Over 1,500,000,000 ounces of silver bullion have been purchased by individual silver investors since the 2008 financial crisis. It is highly likely almost none of the silver bullion has made its way back into world silver scrap recycling supplies since. This trend will most likely remain until either the US dollar price of silver moves exorbitantly higher or somehow those who still mistrust the financial system see large enough structural reforms that they being to move into other asset classes in mass. It is more likely we will need to see a mix of both before this largest silver bullion position ever acquired becomes liquid and traded for industrial fabrication in the future. Demand for silver bullion was a mere approximate 6% of annual world silver supplies the two years preceding the 2008 financial crisis. The global financial crisis appears to have created a
crowd of modern day Hunt Brothers who are actively buying and stacking silver bullion. Just take a look at the four fold demand in physical silver bullion bar and coin buying since Lehman Brothers collapsed nearly taking the whole financial system down with it. Source Over 1,500,000,000 ounces of silver bullion have been purchased by individual silver investors since the 2008 financial crisis. It is highly likely almost none of the silver bullion has made its way back into world silver scrap recycling supplies since. This trend will most likely remain until either the US dollar price of silver moves exorbitantly higher or somehow those who still mistrust the financial system see large enough structural reforms that they being to move into other asset classes in mass. It is more likely we will need to see a mix of both before this largest silver bullion position ever acquired becomes liquid and traded for industrial fabrication in the future.
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Harrow said..
We're all in this together. If the financial system fails, who do you think is going to give you a squillion dollars for your gold?

Might be better to invest in PM33TINFOIL futures.

Harrow it would not be about converting it back in the immediate term. It will be an alternate asset to hold for capital growth or even just preservation .

I had everything in deposits (Not including super). But have now spread at least 15 % of aus stocks , STW, Govt bonds , PMGOLD, Bank Bill ETFs, Fixed Interest.
I also have a few hedge positions in place .

Might seem scatter gun but my philosophy at moment is:
DIversify out of bank deposits
Where deposits are held , spread across major banks.

If there was some govt in a bank bail in I doubt it would be anywhere near $250k (which is guarantee for bank fail not a bank bail in ) More likely $50 to $100k just to save face

Capital preservation using a a scatter gun approach across stocks and other more defensive assets