To treat patients in distress requires oxygen... we don't have enough bits..
However with Qantas and Virgin groundings.. each seat has an oxygen mask.. can we quickly scavenge these for the required extra beds in overflow facilities??
Be creative
cheers
AP
Once this gets out, there'll be a run on oxygen bottles. Maybe I'm late and it's already started?
All the chemists are out of glycerin, btw, and the online sources are starting to dry up too. (Need to add it to your homemade isopropyl alcohol based hand sanitiser to stop your hands drying out.)
Methylated spirits, water and Aloe Vera make a cheap hand sanitizer. isopropyl is expensive and also toxic if around kids.
Select to expand quoteHardcarve1 said..
Methylated spirits, water and Aloe Vera make a cheap hand sanitizer. isopropyl is expensive and also toxic if around kids.
How is isopropyl toxic? I've been using it for YEARS on my face, head, skin... hell that's what people use to disinfect wounds.
Btw I have about 10L I bought in December if anyone wants to trade.
I think we need an app. I know an app doesn't sound like it provides any solution, but I am suggesting something that might help us find people more quickly who could be infected. An app that can record where you and your phone have been, and using bluetooth, who else has been near you.
The idea I am suggesting is a way to tell who has been near who. So if a case of infection is found, the data might be there to tell who else was within metres of them, so it might be a way to track who could also be infected without having to manually trace them.
If we have a shortage of testing kits, maybe this is a way of backtracking and finding out who has been close enough to the infected that may also be infected.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
I think we need an app. I know an app doesn't sound like it provides any solution, but I am suggesting something that might help us find people more quickly who could be infected. An app that can record where you and your phone have been, and using bluetooth, who else has been near you.
The idea I am suggesting is a way to tell who has been near who. So if a case of infection is found, the data might be there to tell who else was within metres of them, so it might be a way to track who could also be infected without having to manually trace them.
If we have a shortage of testing kits, maybe this is a way of backtracking and finding out who has been close enough to the infected that may also be infected.
www.zdnet.com/article/singapore-introduces-contact-tracing-app-to-slow-coronavirus-spread/
Select to expand quoteCH3MTR4IL5 said..FormulaNova said..
I think we need an app. I know an app doesn't sound like it provides any solution, but I am suggesting something that might help us find people more quickly who could be infected. An app that can record where you and your phone have been, and using bluetooth, who else has been near you.
The idea I am suggesting is a way to tell who has been near who. So if a case of infection is found, the data might be there to tell who else was within metres of them, so it might be a way to track who could also be infected without having to manually trace them.
If we have a shortage of testing kits, maybe this is a way of backtracking and finding out who has been close enough to the infected that may also be infected.
www.zdnet.com/article/singapore-introduces-contact-tracing-app-to-slow-coronavirus-spread/
Good stuff! (Its almost like I read that and copied it, but no I didn't.)
Now we need our government to make us all install it and have the data for us.
Do you think our government are on top of it? I think its a great idea and if we are poor with self-isolation, which I think we sadly are, this could be a god-send.
I didn't realise that this idea was well and truly in use. Even China were using something.
Why are the rest of us behind the times when other countries can write something so quickly and get it out there?
www.techrepublic.com/article/scientists-suggest-governments-build-a-mobile-tracking-app-to-trace-people-exposed-to-coronavirus/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=28814762577088572736348763653455
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
I didn't realise that this idea was well and truly in use. Even China were using something.
Why are the rest of us behind the times when other countries can write something so quickly and get it out there?
www.techrepublic.com/article/scientists-suggest-governments-build-a-mobile-tracking-app-to-trace-people-exposed-to-coronavirus/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=28814762577088572736348763653455
Ha!
china has been tracking its citizens movements like this for years!!!
the app will just be a front for how they are really doing it. Dystopian futures are here now 
Select to expand quoteAquaPlow said..
To treat patients in distress requires oxygen... we don't have enough bits..
However with Qantas and Virgin groundings.. each seat has an oxygen mask.. can we quickly scavenge these for the required extra beds in overflow facilities??
Be creative
cheers
AP
The drop-down oxy masks in commercial airliners use a chemical reaction to generate oxygen, and [iirc] they only last for 15 minutes - long enough for the aircraft to descend to lower [oxygen richer] altitude, so are no good for last ditch hospital use.
The only bottled oxy on board is a couple of emergency medical bottles and back-up for aircrew who need to be able to move around.
There is a bit of internet chatter going on about modifying and using sleep apnoea CPAP type machines as an alternative to conventional medical ventilators.
I have no idea how many [proper] ventilators there are in Australia - but figures quoted for the UK have no more than 5000 available for a population of 60 million, with most of those 5000 ventilators already in constant use by ICU's.
Modified CPAP's might sound dodgy, but the alternative could be dodgier!
Anyone know how to cobble together an oxygen concentrator - they will probably be hot property too!
Select to expand quoteFlySurfer said..Hardcarve1 said..
Methylated spirits, water and Aloe Vera make a cheap hand sanitizer. isopropyl is expensive and also toxic if around kids.
How is isopropyl toxic? I've been using it for YEARS on my face, head, skin... hell that's what people use to disinfect wounds.
Btw I have about 10L I bought in December if anyone wants to trade.
Drink it and see, I said around kids.
Select to expand quoteHardcarve1 said..
Drink it and see, I said around kids.
You do know that methylated spirits is poisonous, right?
Select to expand quotemazdon said..FormulaNova said..
I didn't realise that this idea was well and truly in use. Even China were using something.
Why are the rest of us behind the times when other countries can write something so quickly and get it out there?
www.techrepublic.com/article/scientists-suggest-governments-build-a-mobile-tracking-app-to-trace-people-exposed-to-coronavirus/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=28814762577088572736348763653455
Ha!
china has been tracking its citizens movements like this for years!!!
the app will just be a front for how they are really doing it. Dystopian futures are here now
I hope nutbags don't get in the way of people using a tool to help us out of here. "The government will track me and know what I am doing", which is sort of the whole point until this pandemic is under control.
Right now the government have no time to care about anything that people do, other than trying to track people possibly infected.
Sure, China can track their people using various techniques. I don't see that as a big deal.
There was an article recently about a Chinese-Australian women in Beijing who decided to exercise her rights to freedom by going jogging when they were asked to self isolate indoors. She was so caught up in her own freedom that she has effectively risked everyone else's health. Who has the rights in this case? The idiot that thinks jogging will protect her or the people following he good advice to say indoors?
smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/ stock up on vacume bags
Select to expand quoteHarrow said..Hardcarve1 said..
Drink it and see, I said around kids.
You do know that methylated spirits is poisonous, right?
the purple metho has additives to make u stop drinking it. doesnt stop the local blackfellas though. i think there are more restrictions on the whitr stuff? cant be that poisionous if they can drink it for decades.
Select to expand quotemyusernam said..the purple metho has additives to make u stop drinking it. doesnt stop the local blackfellas though. i think there are more restrictions on the whitr stuff? cant be that poisionous if they can drink it for decades.
The clear metho has additives to stop you drinking it. That's what methylated spirits is by definition. It's ordinary drinking alcohol (ethanol) with methanol (the poisonous one) added to it so that you don't drink it. The whole idea is so that you can buy alcohol for purposes other than drinking and not have to pay alcohol tax. Some people seem to get away with it, while other people have died from a single drink. (Some bars in Bali are notorious for using it to save money, and people on holiday have died.)
