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Created by Harrow > 9 months ago, 11 Sep 2020
Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
11 Sep 2020 3:59PM
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Unloaded question, what does this indicate, economically?

Carantoc
WA, 7177 posts
11 Sep 2020 2:08PM
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Harrow said..
Unloaded question, what does this indicate?



It indicates world interest rates updated on 4th September 2020.

It shows the central bank, the country's flag and the current interest rate, measured in percentage.

There are 10 different countries displayed.


Glad to have helped.

knot board
QLD, 1241 posts
11 Sep 2020 6:58PM
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Communists pay more for their home loans ?

Sandfoot
VIC, 569 posts
11 Sep 2020 8:31PM
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Unloaded question, what does this indicate, economically?



Japanese People pay the banks to hold their cash, at least it won't get stolen!

FormulaNova
WA, 15086 posts
11 Sep 2020 7:06PM
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Harrow said..
Unloaded question, what does this indicate, economically?



I'll have a stab and wait for people to correct me, which is often the way people answer these things...

I would say it shows that our economy is comparatively good, whereas some economies are trying heavily to stimulate their economies. Not that ours is particularly great.

That said, I think here we seem to be hostage to the banks where they have effectively signalled that they will not allow interest rates to fall too far and are operating to keep them above the cash rate. Even if the RBA dropped the cash rate to 0% the banks would sustain the real rates available.

Of course, in the case of China that have no need to stimulate and are keeping things chugging along, although 3.85% may be stimulatory for them?

Russia? No idea with that one.

slammin
QLD, 998 posts
12 Sep 2020 8:50AM
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It demonstrates that Modern Monetary Theory is working. It also shows that the decades of successive Governments shaming and blaming dole recipients was just a distraction.

Marvin
WA, 725 posts
12 Sep 2020 3:36PM
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It shows nominal rates of interest, which mean nothing in isolation. It should also show inflation, then we'd see the real rates of interest.

For example, with -1.9% inflation (um, deflation) here in Australia in the June quarter we have roughly 0.25 - (-1.9) = +2.2% return in real terms.

Not a bad return on your cash in the current environment - I'm happy to steer clear of the asx for now.

That said, the numbers together reinforce what a $&@!%^* trainwreck we are in.

Waterloo
QLD, 1497 posts
12 Sep 2020 6:27PM
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Government wants you to spend, not save.

sun fun
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12 Sep 2020 4:42PM
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Harrow said..
Unloaded question, what does this indicate, economically?




It indicates that in Russia and China currency still has some inherent value In an orthodox sense, whereas everywhere else in the table it's basically worthless.

In Switzerland there's a lot of GOLD bullion. Therefore currency there is valued more like actual money (gold/assets) Rather than derivatives like currency and so it's value is nicer.

slammin
QLD, 998 posts
13 Sep 2020 10:20AM
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Not a bad return on your cash in the current environment - I'm happy to steer clear of the asx for now.



You've got to be kidding. Even a cautious ETF is up 10%. Retail investors are making a killing in this climate.

Marvin
WA, 725 posts
13 Sep 2020 5:21PM
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slammin said..

Marvin said..


Not a bad return on your cash in the current environment - I'm happy to steer clear of the asx for now.




You've got to be kidding. Even a cautious ETF is up 10%. Retail investors are making a killing in this climate.


We'll see.
Yes, I made 20% 'killing' over March - June. Enough return for me for 2-3 years.
The market has since just been range trading in a tight band. No 'killing' there.
Happy to sit it out now.

Macroscien
QLD, 6808 posts
14 Sep 2020 2:30PM
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Unloaded question, what does this indicate, economically?







That may mean also that world will be more attracted now to invest high into yield currency. There was time not long ago that Kiwi and Aussie served as carry trade currency, high yield gave as parity with USD for a moment. Not sure if that is what Chinese wants- appreciation of their currency rates against others - may hit export hard , but on another hand influx of investment could accelerate global switch from USD to RMB. Take our exchange for example , What is the point to convert chinese to usd then to aud to pay us for iron ore? ONly to feed third party foreign exchange? On 1 hundred billion amount that is quite significant loss in commissions paid for us and give up sovereignty under total control of our finances.By the year 2030 China is expected to become 3rd currency in the world, after usd and euro, but smart move on one side and no so much on other could speed up the process rapidly. With digital yuan China could offer global wallet to all underdeveloped countries in Africa to replace national galloping with inflation.
For big institutional investors it means that could get no almost zero interest loan from western banks, deposit in yuan and have nice profit after year.I will not be surprised at all if us government serve now undercover as the greatest client, while printing free money. With unlimited supply of cheap or free money they could nice turn nice profit on carry trade yuans.







from all those three- it seems that keeping money invested in our currency - AUD is the most risk/ unpredictable.


UncleBob
NSW, 1299 posts
14 Sep 2020 5:06PM
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Macroscien said..

Harrow said..
Unloaded question, what does this indicate, economically?








That may mean also that world will be more attracted now to invest high into yield currency. There was time not long ago that Kiwi and Aussie served as carry trade currency, high yield gave as parity with USD for a moment. Not sure if that is what Chinese wants- appreciation of their currency rates against others - may hit export hard , but on another hand influx of investment could accelerate global switch from USD to RMB. Take our exchange for example , What is the point to convert chinese to usd then to aud to pay us for iron ore? ONly to feed third party foreign exchange? On 1 hundred billion amount that is quite significant loss in commissions paid for us and give up sovereignty under total control of our finances.By the year 2030 China is expected to become 3rd currency in the world, after usd and euro, but smart move on one side and no so much on other could speed up the process rapidly. With digital yuan China could offer global wallet to all underdeveloped countries in Africa to replace national galloping with inflation.
For big institutional investors it means that could get no almost zero interest loan from western banks, deposit in yuan and have nice profit after year.I will not be surprised at all if us government serve now undercover as the greatest client, while printing free money. With unlimited supply of cheap or free money they could nice turn nice profit on carry trade yuans.







from all those three- it seems that keeping money invested in our currency - AUD is the most risk/ unpredictable.



As usual, promoting the virtues of China and its policies as well as its allies while piling crap on the country that you supposedly live in.

psychojoe
WA, 2232 posts
14 Sep 2020 4:37PM
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Is anyone else looking at SPL for a buy stock?

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
14 Sep 2020 6:41PM
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psychojoe said..
Is anyone else looking at SPL for a buy stock?

COVID-19 nasal spray development..... interesting.

psychojoe
WA, 2232 posts
14 Sep 2020 4:44PM
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psychojoe said..
Is anyone else looking at SPL for a buy stock?


COVID-19 nasal spray development..... interesting.


I thought so.
It'd be nice if all this bull**** finally paid off

slammin
QLD, 998 posts
15 Sep 2020 5:38AM
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SPL is fake news. Betadine in saline as a nasal spray was already demonstrated to be effective back in July.

psychojoe
WA, 2232 posts
15 Sep 2020 5:02AM
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SPL is fake news. Betadine in saline as a nasal spray was already demonstrated to be effective back in July.


Covid is semi fake news too but everyone bought it. 8% rise in one morning. This could be a rocket

slammin
QLD, 998 posts
15 Sep 2020 11:35AM
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Psycho joe. That didn't age very well. Try ASX bets.Hopefully you're now freeholding. Cause I'm seeing a 6% drop.

psychojoe
WA, 2232 posts
15 Sep 2020 9:55AM
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Psycho joe. That didn't age very well. Try ASX bets.Hopefully you're now freeholding. Cause I'm seeing a 6% drop.


Stoked I took your advice.
You're heaps better than my old stock broker.

swoosh
QLD, 1928 posts
15 Sep 2020 6:27PM
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It means its just a number which is fairly meaningless in a vacuum without context.

GreenPat
QLD, 4093 posts
23 Sep 2020 8:09AM
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Saw this in my online broker newsletter this morning, reminded me of this thread:

We live in a world in which virtually everybody supports ever more extreme fiscal and monetary "stimulus." Thanks to central banks' frenzied interventions over the years, rates of interest have become increasingly divorced from reality. The consequences (namely sky-high and rising debt, implausibly expensive stocks, real estate, etc.) have become ever more apparent. Contrived rates emit false signals - and, in effect, throw sand into the economy's gears, add lead to its saddlebags, cause the ship's anchor to drag along the seabed, etc. Central banks' and treasuries' denial of past failure merely abets bigger failure in the future. After the GFC, their attempts to abolish the business cycle delivered stagnation; they've now bequeathed recession - and threaten depression.

It then links to a several-thousand-word article I won't bother re-post here.



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